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Are size 0 to 4 models too small?

Yesterday’s post about Dayton Fashion Week’s search for models caused a big stir.

Many of you questioned the sanity of organizers’ height and size restrictions for female models: 5’8” without heels and wear a size 0-4.

“This is absolutely disgusting!!!! But please don’t let it reflect on the City as a whole. Rather let if reflect on those individuals whom make up this disgusting organization. I wish I could sue people who use Dayton’s name to promote such discriminating events!!!!! I’m sure the individuals’ names are public knowlege…..” one reader posted.
“Really women size 0-4? Who wears that???!!! Not real people!!! - another poster wrote.”

Click here to read more responses and to get details about the casting call.

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Very thin model at the Rosa Cha spring 2007 fashion show in New York. The Council of Fashion Designers of America recently hosted a panel discussion addressing the question of how thin is too thin. (AP Photo/Diane Bondareff, File)

Caressa Brown, director of operations of Dayton Fashion Week, said that while opportunities for plus size models - those size 6 and larger - have opened up since she first distributed the casting call announcement on her Dayton Most Metro Blog, the original height and weight restrictions were and are legitimate.

Designing and making clothing for smaller models is cheaper and thinner models are perceived to be more attractive, she said.

“A lot of designers want their clothes to appear on the runway the way they appear on the hanger. That means models with no curves,” the 32-year-old said. “That’s just the industry standard not that I support it.”

The inaugural Dayton Fashion Week is scheduled for July 24-29 and will feature fashion shows, networking opportunities and other events.

Founded by local Liberian-born designer Junda Morris-Kennedy, the fashion week events are designed to help nurture and showcase Dayton’s fashion industry, Brown said.

While international designers will be featured, most of the wares modeled during Dayton Fashion Week will be from local designers and boutiques.

“What we want to do is take advantage of the talent here and build a market,” said Brown, a Dayton native who began modeling professionally at age 12. “We shouldn’t have to leave the area to pursue our dreams.”

Brown acknowledges that the original height and weight requirements for the event seemed harsh, but she said they are the way of the world.

“There are some things that are going to be strict. I am not telling you to go out and starve yourself,” she said. “I don’t want to tear anyone down, but the truth is that everybody is not going to be chosen. There are restrictions for any job.”

What do you think? Is there anything wrong with requesting models who are size 0 to 4?


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By your mama

February 8, 2012 2:44 PM | Link to this

“A lot of designers want their clothes to appear on the runway the way they appear on the hanger …” then why not just set up a rack of hangers on clothes on a u-shaped moving runway? why pay a stick thin model to where it? so glad i don’t have to starve myself for my job (or a sport)

By Living Large

February 8, 2012 3:08 PM | Link to this

One can find the plus sizes modeling daily at the Golden Corral….Size 6 is not what I would consider a plus size.

By Donna234

February 8, 2012 4:10 PM | Link to this

IT’S ALL ABOUT CHOICE! THIS IS AMERICA.. IF THERE TOO THIN, DON’T WATCH IT. IF YOU DON’T LIKE THE CLOTHES, DON’T BUY THEM. IF YOU DON’T WANNA LOWER YOURSELF TO THR “HIGHT AND WEIGHT” STANDARDS, DON’T WORK THERE SHOW..COME ON PEOPLE

By Sensible Dan

February 8, 2012 4:31 PM | Link to this

This country is in the middle of an obesity epidemic. Believe it or not, size 4 for most women is a healthy weight. We should celebrate the fact that healthy young women are being showcased and rewarded for being at a healthy weight. The reason everyone in the country is so FAT is because we think size 4 is too skinny. Open a health book and look at the charts that show what a healthy weight is for your height, it will surprise many of you.

By Blergh

February 8, 2012 4:42 PM | Link to this

Not saying a size person is necessarily unhealthy, but where are you finding your “facts” Dan? You seem to be pulling them out of thin air. You clearly don’t know what you are talking about.

By REalityCheck

February 8, 2012 5:09 PM | Link to this

Some call the WAAAAAAHMBULANCE!

By Jack Sprat

February 8, 2012 5:20 PM | Link to this

The woman pictured is not attractive. Too thin is as bad as too fat. What ever happened to proportion. Pull up a picture of Twiggy now.

By Seriously?

February 8, 2012 5:40 PM | Link to this

I was surprised at this too, but for a different reason, i.e., that they were actually willing to consider women as “short” as 5’8” and as “large” as size 4! Like it or not, in today’s fashion industry almost every model is at least 5’10” (and usually taller) and almost always a size 0 (sometimes a 2). Unless they’re a “plus size designer” they’re not going to be designing clothes that will fit “real” women. It’s a simple fact. This is “Dayton Fashion Week,” not an amateur runway show at the Dayton Mall, and these professional designers will be showcasing their collections, i.e., clothes that aren’t designed to fit “real” women. Unfortunately, this means that if you want to model their clothes then you’re going to have to fit into their clothes.

By JimBob Dandy

February 8, 2012 5:41 PM | Link to this

I was surprised at this too, but for a different reason, i.e., that they were actually willing to consider women as “short” as 5’8” and as “large” as size 4! Like it or not, in today’s fashion industry almost every model is at least 5’10” (and usually taller) and almost always a size 0 (sometimes a 2). Unless they’re a “plus size designer” they’re not going to be designing clothes that will fit “real” women. It’s a simple fact. This is “Dayton Fashion Week,” not an amateur runway show at the Dayton Mall, and these professional designers will be showcasing their collections, i.e., clothes that aren’t designed to fit “real” women. Unfortunately, this means that if you want to model their clothes then you’re going to have to fit into their clothes.

By April

February 8, 2012 10:16 PM | Link to this

When I look at clothes, I don’t want to envision them on a hangar. I want to envision them on ME. Real women wear clothes. They don’t just look at them.

By Debbie

February 8, 2012 10:32 PM | Link to this

April, are you a designer? They aren’t coming to your job telling you how to do your job so what gives you the right to tell them how to do their job? If you don’t like don’t participate in it. They aren’t violating any ones rights! Also please get over the whole “real” woman crap. I’m a size zero 5’11, I have 2 kids, a set of ovaries, and bleed every month too so please don’t try to make anyone who doesn’t fit into your standard of what a woman should be out to be less that woman because a “real” woman wouldn’t have to do that.

By Get Real About Obesity

February 8, 2012 10:42 PM | Link to this

The thing is, a size 4 is not an obscure size that is unattainable. The problem in this country is the food we buy, eat, and that is sold. Combined with a less active lifestyle generations experienced decades ago. For a female eating a normal amount of calories, say 1,800-2,000 combined with walking a few times a week, this is possible. Sure, not everyone will get there because of genetics and body structure. But if people weren’t such gluttons and so lazy they would realize they too could be a healthier size. Don’t hate on healthy, athletic people because you want an excuse for being overweight or obese because that’s what a huge portion of overweight people do every day.

By KittyBelle

February 8, 2012 11:05 PM | Link to this

My personal opinion is that the height/weight ratio mentioned is not at all attractive nor realistic for MOST women. Yes, there are women that size out there, and I know that they take as much flack about their size as plus sized women (like me, who had an older sister who wore a size 0 for years, while I wore a 24). But there’s a vast difference between “healthy” size 4 women and “heroin chic” size 4 women. The model pictured with this blog is entirely too thin, and I highly doubt that she’s eating a balanced diet or working out to keep her shape. I’m reminded of Kate Moss when she was first modeling, making the comment that seeing “fat people” made her ill. Later, she gained a few pounds and realized that skeletal body structure without any muscle tone was just as nauseating as seeing someone who was overweight. And there is a vast difference, as well, between overweight and morbidly obese. While being obese isn’t healthy, it can’t be healthy to be as thin as some of the models are. The tall-and-waifish body image that’s promoted… along with being told that size SIX is “plus sized”… is why there are girls as young as 6 or 7 who are worried about their diets and becoming anorexic. And that’s simply sad.

By Debbie

February 9, 2012 12:49 AM | Link to this

No Kitty Belle what’s sad is people not owning up to their own issues with self image. Pointing the fingure at a skinny model is nothing short of a cop out!Using that photo isn’t fair either because we don’t know what the models look like that will be in dayton fashion week because the casting call hasn’t even taken place yet. Get off your high horse everyone and get a life. This event could bring jobs to the area. Take responsibilty for your actions and stop blaming the world for your problems. There are no stats that can back up any of your claims.Amelia is doing nothing short of making a mountain out of a mole hill. Maybe she’s taken too many shots to the head during her training for this fight she can’t even write her own articles anymore. She’s stealing the words of another writer, twisting them, and picking and choosing what points to mention. I just went through and read all of Caressa’s columns on Dayton Most Metro and she has a story to tell about her own issues with insecurities growing up thin, she was picked on and teased. So stop trying to put others down to make yourself feel better for you not meeting a standard.

By A guy perspective...

February 9, 2012 12:58 AM | Link to this

I see nothing attractive in a fashion model that physically looks like she was just liberated from a concentration/internment/death camp. I’m not commenting on this from a sexual point of view. Emaciated is emaciated, and seeing a human body where bone outlines are visible is disturbing.

By Amy

February 9, 2012 1:19 AM | Link to this

I am 31 years old, 5’5” height, and weigh 150 lbs. (On the BMI charts, that is not overweight- look it up.) I exercise daily, eat less than 2000 calories a day, and wear a size 8. Healthy is not what the modeling industry is looking for. Though I’ve done some modeling for charity events, I know better than to apply for a job like this! What they are looking for is the kind of proportions most women only get when they go through a teenage growth spurt: long limbs and a slender torso. I’m no longer an adolescent, but I’ve got better looks and a thinner body now than I ever did when I was younger. If they want to design for teenagers and a slim (pun intended) minority of women, let them. But they won’t have the support of healthy, athletic, and curvy women like me, which means they’re losing out on the majority of their business. Sounds like a bad marketing strategy. What if they hired women from the local athletic teams, gyms, and dance/theater groups? They’d probably find a lot of “thin” women, but in a positive healthy way. What a great example Dayton could set!

By Melissa

February 9, 2012 9:02 AM | Link to this

Are size 0 to 4 models too small?! NO! American’s are TOO FAT! Obesity and childhood obesity are both an epidemic in America and this is what people are worried about?! Ridiculous! And yes “real people” are size 0s, 2s and 4s! Im a size 0 and PERFECTLY healthy! The people complaining about this are probably sitting at home home checking their blood sugars and giving themselves insulin shots. Sorry if this is harsh but people don’t seem to have a problem bashing a women that they feel is too thin! And by the way, good luck finding women fitting these restrictions in Dayton OH! Look around, not too many girls will qualify.

By April

February 9, 2012 9:45 AM | Link to this

Actually Debbie, yes I am. Not a fashion designer, but a designer nonetheless and I can say it doesn’t matter. Just because the market tells you that 0-4 is the right and only way, doesn’t mean it is (and that is directed to those who think a starvation-victim is a hanger - not at all to women who are 0-4 and are not skin and bones). Designers have the ability to CHANGE perceptions. They can change the industry. They can change the market. Debbie, I only said “real women wear clothes”. Do you mean to say you don’t?

By dodge09

February 9, 2012 9:53 AM | Link to this

My point of view of the pic.Is just gross.If she would walk outside in the wind she would fly like a kite.Just my point of view!!!!

 
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