By TKidding72

October 29, 2009 10:55 PM | Link to this

Well at least most people are aware of the toxins found in fish. That gets reported on quite a bit. I don’t recall seeing to many reports on the toxins and problems caused by flu vaccines. Don’t you think it would be better if people knew rather than taking something to prevent illness that is really just as likely to make them sick?

By Bluebell

October 29, 2009 10:42 PM | Link to this

Please Tkidding72 take this rant to the things that are in our every day lives - take your energy into something that people are willingly putting into their bodies every day. Plastics and parabens. Every day to themselves and their kids. The flu vaccine popularity will come and go, but plastics and parabens are around us every day. Use your energy there.

By TKidding72

October 29, 2009 10:38 PM | Link to this

Bluebell you are just proving my point about the toxins in the flu vaccines. Then on top of that you actually get some of whatever strain of flu they think you might get that year witch in fact if you are in what ever way are ill even with just a mild cold thats not even noticeable you now will have the flu. Sometimes worse than if you were to just get it naturally. Then there is the possibility that a new strain will come around and you will get sick anyways. Ineffective at best will make you more sick at worst.

By Bluebell

October 29, 2009 10:29 PM | Link to this

Where have you seen that people in the US are dying from the vaccine? I have at least cited every source of my information.

By Pshh

October 29, 2009 10:25 PM | Link to this

TKidding-Probably should just drop it. Most people believe what they are trained to believe. You get an A++ for effort though! By the way, people are already dying as a direct result of this vaccine and that’s immediate. And this flu season is NOT any worse than years prior, they just weren’t reported like they are now.

By Bluebell

October 29, 2009 10:21 PM | Link to this

My point on the fish exactly - it’s not safe to ingest, but yet if it’s in fish then it must be okay? No, just if it’s in a flu vaccine. Double standard is my point - if it’s not safe in a vaccine it’s not safe in food and people should be outraged and complain as much about that and all of the other chemicals in our daily lives as they are about this flu vaccine.

By Bluebell

October 29, 2009 10:11 PM | Link to this

Didn’t mean to put “poison” in quotes. But if you are talking about the toxins in vaccine, I thought you would know what they were. Mercury is one of the biggest pointed out. Also abundant in fish, which many people eat every day. ANd they make preservative free vaccine as well.

By Bluebell

October 29, 2009 10:09 PM | Link to this

Did you see my post about the safety and side effects of vaccines? Have never said they are without side effects. But it looks like Gary Null, PhD should help you with the facts about parabens and plastics and mercury in fish though. BTW the articles I refer to have nothing to do with vaccine and report on what is actually happening to patients who have the flu. And my point is - if you are so concerned about the dangers of vaccine, I highly encourage you to research more into the dangerous chemicals we willingly ingest each day and give to our kids each day. And mercury is one of the “poisons” in flu vaccine. I thought your doctor would have told you that.

By TKidding72

October 29, 2009 10:04 PM | Link to this

My whole point on this is that people should be more informed on this subject and should use a little more caution in using these products. There are Doctors on both sides of the fence on this subject. How much information is really out there about the dangers of these vaccines?

By TKidding72

October 29, 2009 9:58 PM | Link to this

Yes those chemical compounds are found in fish but that doesn’t mean its safe to ingest.

By TKidding72

October 29, 2009 9:55 PM | Link to this

What does the mercury found in fish have to do with anything? That is like the earlier discussion that tried to make the comparison of H1N1 to a car wreck.

By TKidding72

October 29, 2009 9:51 PM | Link to this

Im sorry Bluebell there is just as much scientific data at there that suggest that flu vaccines are ineffective at best.

By Bluebell

October 29, 2009 9:50 PM | Link to this

Did you see my post about the safety and side effects of vaccines? Have never said they are without side effects. But it looks like Gary Null, PhD should help you with the facts about parabens and plastics and mercury in fish though.

By TKidding72

October 29, 2009 9:38 PM | Link to this

Are you aware of the articles published also against the vaccines. Not just H1N1 but all of the flu vaccines? Calling them junk science? Look up Gary Null and see what you find.

By Bluebell

October 29, 2009 9:32 PM | Link to this

Please TKidding72, reference the reports I talk about. Are you afraid of what you will find? That the truth might scare you a little?

By Bluebell

October 29, 2009 9:30 PM | Link to this

I am not a doctor, but I see the patient who are affected by this every day. Why do you think I am so adamant about this and care so much? Because I like to make things up and blog? I am very passionate about this because I have seen what it can do to people. And doctors have been known to be wrong a time or two as well you know.

By Bluebell

October 29, 2009 9:27 PM | Link to this

Please ask your doctor about parabens and plastics and merucy in fish. They are truly daily hazards. And as I said, New England Journal of Medicine and MMWR - real doctors with real reports on real patients.

By TKidding72

October 29, 2009 9:26 PM | Link to this

Well thanks but no thanks bluebell I will take the word of an experienced Doctor over the word of some blogger that supposedly works in medicine what ever that means. You sound more like one of those commercials for drugs you see on TV. This may cause rectal bleeding or death but you should rush out and buy it.

By TKidding72

October 29, 2009 9:26 PM | Link to this

Well thanks but no thanks bluebell I will take the word of an experienced Doctor over the word of some blogger that supposedly works in medicine what ever that means. You sound more like one of those commercials for drugs you see on TV. This may cause rectal bleeding or death but you should rush out and buy it.

By Bluebell

October 29, 2009 9:22 PM | Link to this

And all of those articles I referenced earlier in the MMWR and New England Journal of Medicine were written by real doctors. You don’t have to take it from me, take it from them.

By Bluebell

October 29, 2009 9:18 PM | Link to this

And I have never once said that vaccines are not without side effects - ALL vaccines have lists of potential side effects with them. ALL of them. The point is that this one is no more dangerous than a seasonal flu shot. If a person is not opposed to the seasonal flu shot, there is no reason they should be opposed to this one either. The facts are that is has been manufactured in the same way as the seasonal flu vaccine in the same timeline, and anything to the contrary is not true.

By Bluebell

October 29, 2009 9:15 PM | Link to this

I do work in medicine actually TDKidding 72, but a doctor unfortunately not. If you are passing on information about all of the dangers and poisons of vaccine, then I’m sure you are also watching closely for parabens in your lotions and cosmetics because they are very harmful chemicals that people willingly ingest into their bodies and give to their kids every day. And I’m sure you also are very careful not to use plastics and not microwave them or put them in the dishwasher because of the toxins they leach out into our food and water. And I’m sure you don’t buy baby food that comes in plastic reheatable containers or use plastic baby bottles because of what they leach into the water. Please ask your doctor about those. People who are all of a sudden vehemently anti-chemical from vaccines must surely look out for all these chemicals that are in our daily lives. And they don’t eat regular tuna fish because of the high amounts of mercury contained in it.

By TKidding72

October 29, 2009 9:06 PM | Link to this

Bluebell are you a doctor? If not don’t try to tell me that I am in the dark. I was just trying to pass information that I received today from a real doctor. Maybe you are in the dark to the harmful side effects of the vaccine.

By Bluebell

October 29, 2009 8:43 PM | Link to this

And it is your right not to get vaccinated - I’m not saying everyone should, it’s not for everyone. However, do not deny the facts that this virus is real, it is killing mostly young people (under 65) and it can be very dangerous for some. If you or your kids do get it, just stay home until you are completely well so that you don’t spread it to someone who may be severely impacted. That is the major thing.

By Bluebell

October 29, 2009 8:41 PM | Link to this

Tkidding72 - stay in the dark then. What’s funny is people are saying the media is over-hyping this, but as you’ve said, you only hear about people with underlying conditions dying. You don’t have to look far to realize that it’s not the whole truth. Go to the New England journal of Medicine and look at the statistics. Look at the MMWR report from the flu season on the Southern Hemisphere and look at the statistics for their deaths. I would not make this up - I have not reason to. Look it up yourself and you will see it is true. As I said, many different news sources, on all sides of fences, so this is not a political slant at all. Even the DDN reported on the two kids from IN.

By TKidding72

October 29, 2009 8:38 PM | Link to this

Im just saying that all the stories I have read have stated that the only people that have died from H1N1 have had pre existing conditions. You may be right there may be perfectly healthy people that have died but I will have to go with my doctors recommendation. I trust him he has never steered me wrong.

By Bluebell

October 29, 2009 8:33 PM | Link to this

TKidding72 - if you get the regular seasonal flu vaccine, this one is no different. Made in exactly the same manner in exactly the same time frame as the seasonal flu vaccine, only with a different strain of the H1N1 flu. Would have been included in the seasonal flu vaccine if it had been identified earlier and will be included in next year’s seasonal flu vaccine. Vaccine does have some mercury in it, but so does a lot of fish. The vaccine in the US does not use adjuvant as some in Europe do, which may be linked to more side effects.

By TKidding72

October 29, 2009 8:29 PM | Link to this

According to my doctor the vaccine for the H1N1 may be more harmful than actually getting H1N1.

By Bluebell

October 29, 2009 8:27 PM | Link to this

Tkidding72 - two children in the same family in Indiana died at UC hospital over the summer. Neither of them had anything wrong with them. I think one was 19 and the other in her 20’s maybe. A police officer in NYC died - picture of health, never had a fever, just chest pain. 14 year old in TX that Kimberly mentioned - previously healthy, no medical conditions. These have been documented on local news networks as well as many major news networks, so if you search you will find the same story printed by many different sources. 20 year old pregnant woman in Columbus OH, healthy other than being pregnant. The list goes on and on. A man in his 30’s in Utah, felt like he had a bad cold and died a few days later, found by his family at home. Woman in her 40’s in Boston, sat with her mother and a few nights later couldn’t speak without being short of breath. Do you need more?

By Bluebell

October 29, 2009 8:21 PM | Link to this

And Chicken Little - I’m all for natural remedies and I do believe in them. However, if someone presents to the hospital with viral pneumonia and ARDS, vitamin D is not the cure all. And this is happening to people who were previously healthy, very fit. What I’m for is just people being aware and knowing that this can be serious for some and that if they are sick, even if it’s mild, just do everyone a favor and stay home until you are completely well. No one knows for sure who will be severely affected. Denial is not the answer to this and vaccine might not be either - but at least vaccine has a shot of working. Denial will do nothing, and will perhaps lead to a sick person infecting someone who may become seriously ill.

By TKidding72

October 29, 2009 8:21 PM | Link to this

Kimberly I am really sorry to hear about your condition but you should be concerned if a practicing doctor for over 30ty years says he is concerned about a vaccine. He gave all of my kids their immunization shots. So its not like he is against vaccines. Im sorry to say that it wouldn’t be first time that the drug manufactures got it wrong. It has allot of harmful chemicals in it. I havn’t heard of any case to date where healthy people have died from H1N1 either.

By Bluebell

October 29, 2009 8:13 PM | Link to this

Chicken Little - the definition of a pandemic is a disease prevalent throughout a country, continent or the entire world. This is a pandemic. There have been others during the 1900’s and not all of them were as catastrophic as 1918. They were different strains of the flu (1957 was H2N2 and 1968 was H3N2). To me, one healthy young person or pregnant lady dying from the flu is one too many. I don’t care if the death rate is 2% or .4%, the fact is that deaths are happening in people who do not normally die of the flu. And for you or anyone to say well, it’s not so bad, it I think really insulting to those people who have lost someone or who have someone struggling in an ICU right now. I value each and every life and if vaccinating can help, even if it’s not the cure all, then that’s great. If it can help avoid one death that may not have happened, then it’s worth it. People panning the vaccine as poison and saying this flu are mild are ignoring the all out facts that many young, healthy, vibrant people have been severely affected by this. I’m not sure for the reason for denial - fear of the unknown maybe? Fear because something like this has never happened before in most of our lifetimes? If they had a chance at vaccine in 1918, I wonder if people would have at least like the opportunity to try. Do you need it to be avian flu with a 50% death rate before you will be concerned? Would that be a vaccine you would stand in line for?

By Kimberly Binkley

October 29, 2009 7:39 PM | Link to this

doctors also told the parents of the healthy 14 year old girl from Texas she would be fine too…….a few days later, she was gone. They refused to give her tamiflu because she was healthy and they told her parents should was strong and would be able to fight it off. Her parents begged for Tamiful and they wouldn’t prescribe. I’d sue their butts off!

By Kimberly Binkley

October 29, 2009 7:36 PM | Link to this

Chickenlittle….I do live a healthy lifestyle, always have! I was a kickboxer when I got the virus that gave me heart failure. I have always exercised and ate healthy and I still do. That doesn’t prevent viruses….sorry to say. The young lady that died that was a marathon runner was very fit and lived a healthy lifestyle. yes, it’s great…but it doesn’t prevent illness. Now, I can’t believe people are trying to say we are getting the flu from the vaccines now because of the drug companies doing this to us…..now, that is just nuts! I’m off to relax. Nothing I say will change your mind and you will never change mine either. Just be sure to stay home if you’re sick so you don’t infect anyone else. We all have some social responsibility to play in this. Have a good evening everyone.

By TKidding72

October 29, 2009 7:16 PM | Link to this

My doctor told me today that I had H1N1 but not to worry I wasn’t going to die from it. He also told me he was more worried about the people that actually get the vaccination because of what it contained. He said the pharmacies have had a patent on the Vaccine for 3 years and it was highly suspect that this many people are coming down with the flu at this time of year. He has been a very good doctor for me for many years and I was totally astonished with his words.

By ChickenLittle

October 29, 2009 6:20 PM | Link to this

Blue - if you re-read your cut out of the article you will see that the professionals question and show that the antivirals are not particularly effective. But that is all our health industry has. Are you saying that H1N1 is THE pandemic? The numbers say no. And if it is, vaccination won’t stop it. What will? Call me crazy, but natural remedies and vitamins do a much better job. But the pharma industry doesn’t profit from these.

By ChickenLittle

October 29, 2009 6:11 PM | Link to this

Smallpox? Were your relatives from Somalia? Or are we talking about your great great grandpa? Look, people die every day, young and old, for a whole host of reasons. Yes, wear a seatbelt (or not, it’s your choice). But in this case, the H1N1 virus is media driven hysteria. The mortality rates prove that. But if you feel better getting the shot, then go right ahead. Not me. If you really want to prevent or lessen the severity of flu, then look to live a healthy lifestyle.

By Bluebell

October 29, 2009 6:10 PM | Link to this

What Chicken Little left out in his article post in the beginning of the article “Whether this season’s swine flu turns out to be deadly or mild, most experts agree that it’s only a matter of time before we’re hit by a truly devastating flu pandemic—one that might kill more people worldwide than have died of the plague and aids combined. In the U.S., the main lines of defense are pharmaceutical—vaccines and antiviral drugs to limit the spread of flu and prevent people from dying from it. Yet now some flu experts are challenging the medical orthodoxy and arguing that for those most in need of protection, flu shots and antiviral drugs may provide little to none. So where does that leave us if a bad pandemic strikes? “. The article seems to articulate more that many times those who are elderly or are immunocompromised are not as likely to get great benefit from vaccine. But those who are not may benefit. Nice way to choose one sentence Chicken Little.

By Kimberly Binkley

October 29, 2009 6:02 PM | Link to this

Thank God we have vaccines. I didn’t have to suffer with polio, measles, smallpox, etc like many of my relatives did before I came along! they won’t prevent everything…they can’t prevent fires, heart disease, stroke, etc but you know, people can take control of their health by leading healthier lives and some of those other things you mentioned could be prevented too! Education is key but most people ignore it and live like they think they are never going to die and don’t care how they mistreat their bodies. People that have their health have such a gift but it’s pretty much a wasted gift on most.

By ChickenLittle

October 29, 2009 5:55 PM | Link to this

For all of you who think vaccines are the end all be all, please refer to the referenced studies in November issue of the Atlantic Magazine (available online). “The head of the Vaccines Field at the Cochrane Collaboration, a highly respected international network of researchers who appraise medical evidence, says: “For a vaccine to reduce mortality by 50 percent and up to 90 percent in some studies means it has to prevent deaths not just from influenza, but also from falls, fires, heart disease, strokes, and car accidents. That’s not a vaccine, that’s a miracle.” Sure the CDC says otherwise, but they are always right, right?

By Bluebell

October 29, 2009 5:49 PM | Link to this

To all who say this is overblown media hype, not that bad, just like the seasonal flu - tell that to the families of the 1,000+ people who have died in the US and 1,000’s more in the world. The majority of those dying from this flu ARE NOT old. They are young, under 65, 60% between the ages of 25 and 64. Some of them don’t have underlying conditions and some of them don’t. What do you say to those people? Would you still say it’s overblown media hype? What about the poor family in IN who lost BOTH of their children to H1N1 and neither had any underlying conditions. Are you going to tell them it’s mild, people are overreacting, this is just a normal flu? How can you hear stories like that and still make your comments?

By Kimberly Binkley

October 29, 2009 5:49 PM | Link to this

One last thing…my heart condition was also caused by a VIRUS! so, another reason to think about sparing those you love from catching a virus!

By Kimberly Binkley

October 29, 2009 5:47 PM | Link to this

and that comment you added “Statistically speaking H1N1 is much less of a threat than seasonal flu was not a comment I said! Any flu is a threat to people like me!

By Kimberly Binkley

October 29, 2009 5:43 PM | Link to this

chickenlittle…..I’m overly concerned? I have heart failure and cardiomyopathy. I have a heart function of 20%! I almost died due to this 8 years ago and have since 2x almost been placed on the heart transplant list. I got bronchitis 2 years ago which almost placed me on the transplant list. I am a mother of a 15 year old daughter with a hole in her heart and I’d sure like to be here to see her grow up. Now, if you had my condition or hers, tell me you wouldn’t be concerned? You really need to think before you speak! There are thousands upon thousands of people living with life threatening health conditions every single day and vaccines will help protect those and the ones you love also! Including yourself!

By Kimberly Binkley

October 29, 2009 5:38 PM | Link to this

Thanks Roscher! Yes, these people with their mild cases need to stay home when sick becuase you never know who you are coming into contact with in a day. There are people with comprised immune systems out there that can NOT afford to get this flu….including children. One friend of mine had a daughter that was in the hospital this week because day 2 of the flu she couldn’t breath. This is very serious stuff for lots of people. You know, I had one friend that went shopping while they had the flu…..no why was that so stinking important to do? No wonder this stuff spreads! People that are sick need to stay home so they don’t infect those that can’t handle this flu!

By Kimberly Binkley

October 29, 2009 5:31 PM | Link to this

Actually before I left the fair grounds that day, we had a HUGE crowd there to get the vaccine. So many, they had to close it for the day and reopen the next day. There was no where else to park, etc and lots of people were very upset they were turned away. that interview was done very early in the day since I was there at 6:30 am! So, by 10, there were about 6,000 people there with no where to park! So, it does show me that people do want this vaccine. As for car accidents, that argument doesn’t fly in comparison to vaccines. Vaccines can prevent deaths. Most car accidents are preventable too….ie, some are not, but most are especially the ones caused by drunk drivers, people texting while driving, etc. If people would just use common sense, most of those could be prevented too but how you can compare car accident deaths to flu or vaccines is beyond me? You’re comparing apples to oranges. Lots of people die from cancer to but wouldn’t you still want treatment if you thought it could save your life? You have got to look at risks vs benefits just like you do any drug you take for any illness. Surgery poses risks but if you thought it could save your life, wouldn’t you have it? use common sense here. Look at the benefits vs risks. I had to get a pacemaker/defibrillator last year. I knew there were risks associated with the surgery but I also knew I needed the defibrillator and it could one day save my life. risk vs benefits.

By Roscher

October 29, 2009 5:30 PM | Link to this

Phil Man - wasn’t it you who said the poll was skewed because they didn’t poll YOUR house. How more self centered can you get? I usually don’t post out here, but I can’t stand the “MY kids had it and they are fine” “I had it and I am fine” therefore it must be fine for everyone. Think of the person you might have infected during your mild case who is not so lucky because they have asthma or are pregnant and have a severe reaction. I’m so happy that most people are getting mild cases, really, but just because that happened to YOU, that doesn’t mean it is not real for OTHERS. Think of OTHERS!!!!!!!

By Phil Man

October 29, 2009 5:20 PM | Link to this

Hey Roscher, aren’t you on the boards too? Does that make you one of “us”? Your unfair generalization was very selfish.

By HHRes

October 29, 2009 5:19 PM | Link to this

Kimberly - you are right and couldn’t have stated it better. I currently have a 13 year old with asthma who was tested and diagnosed with H1N1 this week. He has had the regular flu before, but yesterday was the worst day of this flu. His temp peaked at 105 and had labored breathing. It was scary. The flu he has had before never had gotten this bad. Thank God that his temp has been low and breathing is almost normal. God bless nurses who have been there to answer all my questions and put us this worried mom at ease. So while you may not worry, some of us do.

By Roscher

October 29, 2009 4:53 PM | Link to this

Kimberly - you are very smart, but don’t waste it on the people on these boards. They will spout their garbage until something affects their lives directly and then they will blame the government, the healthcare system, the Democrats, the president and anyone else they can find for not warning them, not doing enough for them, not providing enough for them. They are selfish and self centered and will never think of anyone other than themselves.

By Phil Man

October 29, 2009 4:48 PM | Link to this

That’s a really earth shattering headline. Here’s one, “Local Man has an Opinion”. They didn’t poll my house, and I have children. So the data is skewed.

By Laura

October 29, 2009 4:48 PM | Link to this

Chicken Little - if there was a way they could reduce your risk of death in a car accident my making it 70 to 90 % less likely you were going to get into an accident, would you do it?

By ChickenLittle

October 29, 2009 4:34 PM | Link to this

Over 40,000 people are killed each year in car accidents, but we all still drive, right? But you seem a little overly concerned about H1N1, according to the Hamilton Journal: “I thought it was actually going to be worse,” Binkley said of the crowd. “I had heard that people had camped out in places like Florida all night.” And statistically speaking H1N1 is much less a threat than seasonal flu.

By Karen

October 29, 2009 4:30 PM | Link to this

Kimberly - FINALLY someone with sense on these boards. Thank you thank you thank you. You are so right and if anyone does any real research on this they will find the same information. I have been saying these same things to people for literally months now as things have unfolded. People thought this “went away” during the summer, but in reality it persisted and was quite nasty.

By Kimberly Binkley

October 29, 2009 4:18 PM | Link to this

one more thing to add. Doctors have no way of predicting who will get a mild case and who will not. A woman in her 20’s that was a marathan runner in great shaped died from this people! Wake up…protect yourselves and your loved ones. this is not media hype, this is real. Every day healthy people are hospitalized due to this virus. Every day, people are dying from this and it all can be prevented with a vaccine. We should be counting our blessings we have something like this that we can use to stop the spread of this virus. I know a man….mid 40’s, very healthy. He got H1n1 and the 2nd day, went into respiratory arrest and had to be hospitilized. he was in a coma for 2 weeks on life support. His kidneys shut down and he was NOT expected to live. By the grace of God he did survive and just came out of the coma this week. His kidney’s still are not working and probably never will again. this is what this flu can do to a healthy person……think about that instead of believing the lies being told about the vaccine. I’m glad many cases have been mild but that is not true for everyone. Are you willing to take that risk with your child?

By Kimberly Binkley

October 29, 2009 4:12 PM | Link to this

I’m so tired of people saying this is no worse than seasonal flu. Seasonal flu kills 36,000 people a year! Are you willing to take that chance with your child? Healthy people have died from this, not just people with underlying health conditions. This vaccine is more tested than any other flu vaccine we have ever had and this is NOT the first flu season flumist has been used. This vaccine is made the same way our seasonal vaccines are made every year. In fact, if the swine flu had started in March instead of April, it would have been included in our seasonal flu vaccines this year but there was not time to get it in there. That’s the reason for 2 shots this year. all our flu shots take about 6 months to make….this vaccine was not rushed to production. We are so spoiled because we didn’t have to see our children suffer with polio, measles, most not even chicken pox all thanks to the wonderful invention of vaccines. Don’t fear what can help you! That is nuts. We have people we come into contact evey day with weakened immune systems due to cancer, asthma, heart disease, etc. The more people get vaccinated, they more they are protected too. One day that may be you or your loved one.

By Dayton Democrat

October 29, 2009 3:42 PM | Link to this

Pshh is right, we need to very careful as this drug vaccination may be exactly what the neocons planned us to inject into are little ones’ bodies if they were ever voted out of office. Isnt it just ironic that this h1n1 comes out once the old GOP and their “president” get voted out of office in a landslide victory elected by true Americans???

By Pshh

October 29, 2009 3:34 PM | Link to this

Want to know what Ohioans and everyone else SHOULD be worried about? The face that this untested, “live virus” vaccine that hasn’t even been proven effective (much less tested for side effects) is being shoved up your child’s nose, and by the schools on top of that! Or drugstore, or just about anywhere. One word friends…Eugenics. Look it up.

By Mom too

October 29, 2009 3:31 PM | Link to this

Mom of Little One, I understand your fear as my daughter had swine flu. It lasted three days. Support your daughter’s immunity with natural products. Why inject toxic stuff into her? If she becomes ill from vaccine, the manufactures have immunity. Build her immunity up naturally.

By Pshh

October 29, 2009 3:30 PM | Link to this

Want to know what Ohioans and everyone else SHOULD

By ChickenLittle

October 29, 2009 2:28 PM | Link to this

Headline: anything more than 50.0001% is “most”. And yet MOST Ohioans (66%) are NOT getting the flu shot. Why is this not the big headline? The real story is that the VAST MAJORITY who do get the dreaded flu are sick for only a short time. If you are so worried about dying then stop driving your car.

By Love this City

October 29, 2009 1:36 PM | Link to this

I have two kids of normal health who have both survived the swine flu. Healthy immune systems are the best treatment for the virus. Stop panicking everyone.

By really?

October 29, 2009 1:27 PM | Link to this

54 percent is a little over half, not “MOST” Ohioans! This Ohioan is cautious, but not worried enough to get a vaccine that has not been extensively tested. My kids’ friends are coming down with, and surviving, H1N1 as we speak. Thankfully we are not high risk for complications, so no energy wasted “worrying” here.

By Mom of a little one

October 29, 2009 1:21 PM | Link to this

I’m not worried about myself immunized. What I’m worried about is my 4 yr old getting very sick because she hasn’t been exposed to these before. Older people most likely have been exposed. Try explaining “not to worry” to the mother of the 5 year old that died in Springboro. I don’t want my child to end up like hers. My real fear is if something terribly catastrophic happens, how will the govt handle that one?

By Mom of a little one

October 29, 2009 1:20 PM | Link to this

I’m not worried about myself immunized. What I’m worried about is my 4 yr old getting very sick because she hasn’t been exposed to these before. Older people most likely have been exposed. Try explaining “not to worry” to the mother of the 5 year old that died in Springboro. I don’t want my child to end up like hers. My real fear is if something terribly catastrophic happens, how will the govt handle that one?

By Mom of a little one

October 29, 2009 1:19 PM | Link to this

I’m not worried about myself immunized. What I’m worried about is my 4 yr old getting very sick because she hasn’t been exposed to these before. Older people most likely have been exposed. Try explaining “not to worry” to the mother of the 5 year old that died in Springboro. I don’t want my child to end up like hers. My real fear is if something terribly catastrophic happens, how will the govt handle that one?

By LH

October 29, 2009 12:36 PM | Link to this

Well said, KAF! Also, most people won’t get tested because the treatment plan won’t change with a “positive” result anyway.

By Tina

October 29, 2009 12:31 PM | Link to this

I am not worried at all. It’s all just media propaganda, and what perfect timing with Obama and all the healthcare crap. My daughter is sick, took her to the hospital, they’re treating her with tamiflu. The doctor at the ER even said H1N1 isn’t as bad as the media is making it out to be. I’m so tired of hearing about the H1N1! My family and I will NOT be getting this vaccine!

By MH

October 29, 2009 11:27 AM | Link to this

I was in the hospital with this on Mon and the nurse told me that I probably had h1n1 but they did not even test me for it. The nurse said the media was making too big of a deal out of it because it is no worse than the seasonal flu. Whether it is the seasonal flu or H1N1, both can easily kill someone with cronic illness or ashma. The nurse told me they have had more people die with the seasonal flu than the H1N1.

By Relax!

October 29, 2009 10:32 AM | Link to this

I agree with “Why worry”. My 60 year old father was confirmed with H1N1 last week. Within 24 hours of feeling flu like symptoms he went to the doctor. With the help of Tamiflu and some rest he fully recovered in about four days. He had a flu shot (not H1N1) less than a week earlier and I’ve NEVER had a flu shot. I was around him daily and I am symptom free. Wash your hands frequently and stop panicking!!!

By KAF

October 29, 2009 10:27 AM | Link to this

If you smoke, are overweight, or are physically inactive, H1N1 is the least of your worries. Chronic diseases caused by lifestyle (smoking, overeating, no exercise) are the true epidemics in America. So stub out the Marlboro, put down the Big Mac, and get out of the La-Z-boy if you are truly concerned about your health.

By Why worry

October 29, 2009 10:13 AM | Link to this

I am not an old timer, but I have no worries about the flu - whether it is swine, h1n1 or seasonal… There is no need for this major panic. The media is making this worse! Most doc offices are just saying it is h1n1 without even testing, what are the real numbers? How many folks never get tested with any type of flu? Just be smart, stay away from sick people, wash your hands, cough into your elbow, wash your hands.

By oldtimer

October 29, 2009 10:03 AM | Link to this

Am I worried? Heck NO! I’m 80 years old. When my time is up, I’m going to go,so I’m just sitting back and enjoying what time I have left. Worry is like a rocking chair; it gives you something to do but it doesn’t get you anywhere.