By null

January 22, 2011 11:18 PM | Link to this

I am thankful that Miami Jacobs PN Program finally got canned,took the board long enough,I wonder why they were so lenient with this renegade school

By Jana

August 3, 2010 10:19 AM | Link to this

To prospective employers: Please don’t judge me by the school I went to. I worked my butt off during school, maintained the President’s List and Dean’s list all 4 quarters, sat for my Boards and passed them on first ATTEMPT! Yes I am a MJCC graduate. Obviously I was taught something or I wouldn’t have passed my Boards. All the new nurses want the opportunity to be gainfully employed and start their nursing careers. Remember, all nursing students are taught the basics, everything else comes with experience. Give us the opportunity to get that experience.

By Jana

August 3, 2010 10:10 AM | Link to this

I am a Aug 2009 nursing graduate of MJCC. Passed my Boards in December 2009 and have been unable to find employment. I believe I can’t find a job due to all the publicity of MJCC. Please employers don’t discriminate against me. I feel I would be an excellent Nurse if given the opportunity. :) I worked my but off for those license and just want the opportunity to use my skills.

By natessa pritchard

August 2, 2010 2:37 PM | Link to this

Let me just start by asking how many of you actually have a clue about MJCC I am a PN student at the Springboro campus and would like to say that the instructors that I have are all very much quaified to teach this program and meet all the standards of the OBN also so many who do graduate do go on to pass their NCLEX and gt the jobs. Do not judge all f us who work our butts off to get through this by the ones who think it is a game or something my fellow classmates and I take this very seriously and work hard at it. This is just another gossip thing research your facts and see how many of your so called great nursing schools have been in the same boat at MJCC my guess is you all just need something to talk about and what better than the newspaper to find it I have faith i my school and believe they have my best interest they are fighting for us are making changes daily and continue to put our education first and to the manager your loss if a nurse can pass NCLEX what does it matter what school she went to I have heard many graduates talking about how they have passed NCLEX and now have great jobs so who needs you I would not want to work for you anyway it is not very professional to get on here and brag about your stupid decision and opinion about MJCC seems to me you nedd to take a class about management and professionalism

By Second Career Nurse

August 1, 2010 4:33 PM | Link to this

To Shaking My Head and others: You apparently do not realize this but every hiring manager, regardless of career field, looks at the school that you went to and draws conclusions based on that fact. This is NOT considered discrimination. You chose the school, you must live with the reputation of the school you chose. That’s why you must choose your school wisely. This is true in any job you choose, whether it’s in the medical field or any other field. The school you choose DOES MATTER. If you choose a school with a lousy reputation, your chance for employment will be equally lousy. If you choose a school with a good reputation, your chance for employment will be good. This is a fact. Whether you love or hate this fact does not matter, it is still a fact that we all must live with.

By AWM

July 31, 2010 10:16 PM | Link to this

Manager: whats your name dont judge me by the school i went to maybe one day youll need a nurse what are you going to do ask where they went to school and forbide them to touch you. It doesnt matter where you went to school as long as you know what the heck your doing what company do you work for that i dont apply:) Why would I believe you were a competent RN if you can’t even master you native language?

By Shaking my Head

July 31, 2010 9:16 PM | Link to this

WOW!! Everyone should know opinions are like a**holes and everyone has one, it is their right…BUT, I am a former MJCC grad, suffering at the hands of all this non-sense right this very moment! I graduated almost a YEAR ago and passed my boards first time, and STILL cannot gain employment due to this “Curse of the MJCC Nurse” I am absolutely appalled at the amount of employers who frown on you because you went to this “institution” for lack of better words. I cannot speak for everyone in the nursing program, but I can say I felt cheated, wronged and and I agree with a few of the things being reported. The teachers I had were very educated, always made themselves available for any problems-but the school as a whole lacks organization, commitment and left us students scratching our heads on more than one occasion. And not to manager…LET ME FIND OUT WHO YOU WORK FOR, what you said in this blog is to be considered out right DISCRIMINATION!! You have NO right disqualifying potential candidates based on their schooling! If a nursing student can sit before the boards and successfully pass them…well then the State of Ohio has found them to be a competent Nurse and who the heck are you to decide if they aren’t or not? I would LOVE to meet you and LET you challenge ME that I am not a competent Nurse…my schooling at MJCC was only a SMALL fraction of knowledge base I have…after all- nursing cannot strictly be taught out of a book, or anyone who knew how to read would be a NURSE!

By Someone who sees the obvious

July 31, 2010 6:12 PM | Link to this

I have several issues to throw out there to the know it alls. How many of these so called students who claim they can’t get jobs have misdemeanors or felony’s on their records? When discussing other schools and their waiting lists, and one needs to take and PAY for classes just to remain on the list; classes that do not directly affect their education, or benefit it, but is just a means to maintain an enrolled status, spending 3 times the amount school would have cost them, using “taxpayers money”. Wake up people! You talk about “for profit” schools. I guarentee that people are profiting every school attended!!!And if you think Clayton Lucky is your ticket…think again! He is just using this issue in hopes of winning votes…Hmmmmm a form of profiting!!! Ask him to learn to speak proper english when he addresses educational issues. Ask him to tell about his 4 or 5 residences…who’s profiting?! Employers, I hate to tell you this, but you are idiots for not considering potential employees just because they went to Miami-Jacobs. You could be passing up a super star. Maybe all the colleges should be under the microscope, not just MJCC!

By Someone who sees the obvious

July 31, 2010 6:12 PM | Link to this

I have several issues to throw out there to the know it alls. How many of these so called students who claim they can’t get jobs have misdemeanors or felony’s on their records? When discussing other schools and their waiting lists, and one needs to take and PAY for classes just to remain on the list; classes that do not directly affect their education, or benefit it, but is just a means to maintain an enrolled status, spending 3 times the amount school would have cost them, using “taxpayers money”. Wake up people! You talk about “for profit” schools. I guarentee that people are profiting every school attended!!!And if you think Clayton Lucky is your ticket…think again! He is just using this issue in hopes of winning votes…Hmmmmm a form of profiting!!! Ask him to learn to speak proper english when he addresses educational issues. Ask him to tell about his 4 or 5 residences…who’s profiting?! Employers, I hate to tell you this, but you are idiots for not considering potential employees just because they went to Miami-Jacobs. You could be passing up a super star. Maybe all the colleges should be under the microscope, not just MJCC!

By Justin Barrett

July 31, 2010 3:25 PM | Link to this

I think the media might be exaggerating for ONCE! Of course there’s an agenda, it’s the media. Remember that they are for proffit also. I have seen competent students fail the program. I read the comment that said MJ stundents could not make it at sinclair, I wonder where his/her loyalty is. Of course if you have taken a psychology class at Sinclair than you should be able to find better ways to feel to deal with inferiority. I think/hope that everything works out for Miami Jacobs. I look forward to the resolve, for I don’t have many chances at being right these days.

By Think about This

July 31, 2010 11:58 AM | Link to this

Almost everything can seem humorous … eventually. Then you are a nurse. Love these blogs, everyone is an expert, just ask them!

By lawabider

July 30, 2010 11:23 PM | Link to this

The way state certification works is the big players get control of it and bully the little players out of business.

By ilia

July 30, 2010 10:30 PM | Link to this

Manager: whats your name dont judge me by the school i went to maybe one day youll need a nurse what are you going to do ask where they went to school and forbide them to touch you. It doesnt matter where you went to school as long as you know what the heck your doing what company do you work for that i dont apply:)

By Mark

July 30, 2010 9:02 PM | Link to this

Whomever thinks that the pell grant covers anywhere near the cost per quarter is severely off. $3650.00 owed after receiving pell grant!!! The school is a joke and has now told the students still remaining in the PN program that they will receive a complete refund…LOL… Good Luck with that one

By Simple question

July 30, 2010 8:14 PM | Link to this

I asked the MJJC nurse graduate for 10cc’s of lidocaine to be injected into the patient. She looked at me and said: “10cc…isn’t that a soft rock band from the 70’s?” We then held the patient down with straps and proceeded to do our work…

By RelocatedRN

July 30, 2010 6:39 PM | Link to this

I became and LPN and then transitioned into an RN. My LPN school was hard, I studied hard and put forth an effort to make myself a better person. While I didn’t graduate from MJ, I can understand the frustration from the students because I went to a certain “for profit” school in Centerville. There were a few professors who actually cared enough to make us work hard to pass their class, and if you failed, you re-took the class, as it should be. There were also a few teachers (and I use that word loosely) that the only thing they cared about was passing everyone to make themselves look good. Funny how the ones who cared about what type of nurses they were producing were ALWAYS the ones getting bad letters to the administration about them. School is hard, it is SUPPOSED to be hard. If you can’t put forth the time and effort to make sure that you are a safe and competent nurse, you just don’t need to be one!!! Nursing isn’t about $$, as so many people see it now, it is about caring for people who depend on the nurse being competent, caring and professional. After all, we can only teach our patients what we ourselves have been taught!!! Good luck MJ students and remember, if it was easy, any as*hole could do it!!!!!

By Poor Man 75

July 30, 2010 6:32 PM | Link to this

Too much gossip, not enough facts… Public colleges are not required to play by same rules as for-profit schools, don’t even have to report retention rates and other data, such as how many students drop out, and how much money school keeps. Local public college rep told me the certifications I received were as good as an associate degree; employers didn’t agree. Put all the schools under the same microscope.

By upset

July 30, 2010 5:58 PM | Link to this

Everyone has different opinions about this situation. I have experienced it first hand. I went there and dropped out when I had a class taught by a teacher that had no idea of anything about that subject. It was ridiculous and I would never recommend that place to anyone!! The students have a right to be mad because it is a waste of money that you won’t get back.

By IAgree

July 30, 2010 5:40 PM | Link to this

I agree with Lou, someone has an agenda “can’t imagine who ;)” and all the education in the world won’t create a driven student or employee! Those with an axe to grind or position to exploit will always go after it.

By wrc

July 30, 2010 5:18 PM | Link to this

Darlene what about the teachers which has to leaved to in the middle of the students supposely 4 hour lab so he or she can teach at another of your schools.I mean the class is supposed to be 4 hours long and supervised by that teacher for the whole 4 hours.Is that your idea of great teaching as they certainly can’t asked any questions they might have when the teacher isn’t their.Teachers even suggested the students write down any questions and asked him next time.Which only puts said students futher behind all caused the teacher left in the middle of their lab therefore the student left in the dark.To you I guess that is great teaching,to me that is fraud.State ought to look at time records of your teachers as I bet more than one does this.An no-one can be in two places miles apart within seconds of one class supposely ending.

By Serious Issue DDN

July 30, 2010 4:49 PM | Link to this

DDN, you have already changed your story…get your facts and information straight…I bet you change it again because you falsely report MANY topics. There is an agenda out there against MJC. It is quite obvious that Clayton Luckie is the puppet of the agenda against MJC. What a joke Luckie is…have you seen what he really thinks about his constituents? PAYDAY LENDERS! Why would we want to lose another business in downtown Dayton? MJC has a long history of serving this community. In these tough economic times…are you serious?? Come on people!Can you smell the stuff from DDN and Luckie?? Check him out and see the real agenda!

By jan

July 30, 2010 4:42 PM | Link to this

Is the program at MJCC for licensure for a LPN or RN? There is a difference, though both are regulated by the OBN. As far as I know the programs at Sinclair and KMC are RN programs so the standards would be different than an LPN course at MJCC.

By concerned

July 30, 2010 4:40 PM | Link to this

Manager, I have a sister who went through MJ and worked extremely hard at her education. Shortly after classes began she complained about the teachers and program. Unfortunately, she had already paid her money and therefore, had to complete the program, no refunds were provided. She passed her boards and is now working. Please do not condemn the student simply because you don’t like the school. I urge you to interview all candidates and judge them individually. You may be over looking a gem like my sister.

By I will be a nurse

July 30, 2010 4:25 PM | Link to this

I am a current PN student at MJ, troy campus. I cannot speak for the other campuses, but Troy is great!! I have wonderful classroom and clinical instructors. Miss Pearson, Adkins, Nools, Lynn, and Monnin are just a few of the wonderful, smart instructors. I have learned lots from them. I have gotten rave comments from all of the nurses and aides I have worked with at my clinical sites. I do not cheat, and study my butt off. I put in at least 20 to 25 hours of homework, med card, and studying at home. I do not take this lightly, and I know my fellow classmates do not either.

By Lou

July 30, 2010 4:16 PM | Link to this

I seriously doubt if graduating from MJ would mean you couldn’t be hired if you passed the state exam. Get real. I think someone has an agenda. I’ve taken classes at MJ, Edison State & Sinclair for classes. Can’t say any one school excells over the other. The current students need to be safe guarded. As far as it goes,you can have all the education in the world and not be a good employee.

By Jim

July 30, 2010 4:01 PM | Link to this

Ms. Waite’s letter sounds good, but it smells of lip service. If you hire great teachers, why the need for faculty in-service? It’s not fair to the students or future employers to give students second rate instruction. This is nursing and people’s lives we’re talking about, not auto shop. Put your bottom line aside, and hire some real teachers, or hire an educational consultant to teach the teachers how to teach. Maybe the teachers are fine and the curriculum is the problem. Maybe MJCC needs to hire an administrator who’s actively engaged in the entire process. Come on Ms Waite, lets clean it up or pound sand.

By Do You Know?

July 30, 2010 2:58 PM | Link to this

I wonder how many of you with comments have first hand knowledge of the MJ Nursing program. I know for a fact a large percentage of their students could not cut it at Sinclair or other Nursing Programs. The attitude has gotten worse since this controversy started. Some, not all, feel they should have a free ride because of it and are not willing to put in the time and effort it takes. Don’t put the blame on the instructors when some students refuse to learn. They have the same attitude in everyday life.

By misterunknown

July 30, 2010 2:37 PM | Link to this

Manager,what is the name of your company?That’s kind of unfair of you and your company not to consider a graduate of MJCC especially if he/she/ finished the requirements for all course/courses required to get a job at your company.The graduates of MJCC have a right to know the name of your company so they can boycott it.I wouldn’t work for you.Bet you don’t have the guts to say the name of your company.

By Dont Ya Know

July 30, 2010 2:30 PM | Link to this

Most of these students are covered by the student loan program and with the institution losing accreditation for that program they will not have to pay back the student loan. The government will recoup their losses from Miami Jaacobs.

By Marla

July 30, 2010 2:17 PM | Link to this

I was a surgical tech student that graduated from there in 2007 and these were the same problems that we had then.I feel the school should be closed down and everyone who has had problems with not being able to work after receiving a “degree” from there as well as current students she be refunded in some type of way. This is ridiculous that it has been going on this long, just shut them down.

By Connie

July 30, 2010 1:38 PM | Link to this

@voter: what an asinine statement! MJCC and other for-profits spend big bucks on admissions rep training, which is designed to lure the student into signing up. The less money the student has the better, as the more state and federal grant money the school receives. However, most of those suckered students (and you know NOTHING of the problems at the school) ended up with lots of promises, no education and a bunch of debt! This kind of thinking by someone who should be educated (a voter) sickens me!

By Connie

July 30, 2010 12:42 PM | Link to this

I will be very surprised if the Nursing Board allows this program to ultimately continue. Unfortunately, no, the students will have to sue and I am sure that MJCC will put up a vigorous defense. That is one of the comical and unfair state and federal laws in the for-profit sector. The WHOLE school has to close in order for the student’s money to automatically be refunded…for one program, the students of that program either sue or are out of luck. It is one of the laws that need changing and hopefully, our reps are looking at it since some are now taking a closer look how these schools operate, thanks to MJCC

By nurse

July 30, 2010 12:34 PM | Link to this

Good play - It’s long overdue.

By Laurel

July 30, 2010 12:22 PM | Link to this

This is the problem with “for profit” education (of which Miami Jacobs is) versus public post-secondary education (such as Sinclair or Miami U or any other program associated with an accredited university). Yes, there’s a huge wait-list for the accredited program, and yes, it’s often more stringent and difficult, but it also gives the student so many more options. People need to know that the current “for profit” education movement is flawed and that a school like Miami-Jacobs can NOT offer the same educational opportunities as an accredited college or university.

By rick

July 30, 2010 12:19 PM | Link to this

That really sucks for those folks who paid good money for their schooling. The state should step in and make MJCC give those students a refund. Thats a crock to spend that much time and effort and find this out.

By dena

July 30, 2010 12:18 PM | Link to this

The state should make an effort to make sure the students do not loose money, or time, which can be more limited than money. Is anyone listening? I hope so.

By voter

July 30, 2010 12:18 PM | Link to this

I’d love to see the tentative enrollment for Fall Quarter after today’s news is seen by potential students.

By dena

July 30, 2010 12:17 PM | Link to this

The state should make an effort to make sure the students do not loose money, or time, which can be more limited than money. Is anyone listening? I hope so.

By suebe

July 30, 2010 12:07 PM | Link to this

Better investigate Brown-Mackey for some of the same reasons and check how they spend federal money.

By voter

July 30, 2010 11:57 AM | Link to this

No - that’s a lot of money the taxpayers are out - M/J is loaded with students that thrash the system, drop-out, and default. It’s a way of life. I doubt if < 20% even had any intention of completing the course.

By KCMA graduate

July 30, 2010 11:51 AM | Link to this

All of the administrators should be jailed and made to pay all of their personal fortunes to students who will be impacted by the inevitable ruling.

By So sad

July 30, 2010 11:23 AM | Link to this

I bet the student that try to transer out to other area nursing programs are going to have trouble transfering credits to other colleges too. They may have to start completely over if MJC loses it’s appeal.

By William

July 30, 2010 11:18 AM | Link to this

There are many employers who won’t hire graduates of this college.

By Nobody

July 30, 2010 11:17 AM | Link to this

@Lotsa Dough, I’m sure you’re right about that. They probably have a “waiver clause” of some sort in the contract the student (customer) signs that absolves them of any obligation to refund money.

By Mjscam

July 30, 2010 11:16 AM | Link to this

Miami Jacobs is a joke. Nthey prey on the ignornant and uninformed. They sell you dreams that don’t exist…all at a cost of 10x what Sinclair can give you. Who hires a miami Jacobs graduate anyway? The school is a joke. Poor instructors if any and blatant cheating are a daily event.

By Clem

July 30, 2010 11:13 AM | Link to this

You would think with great nursing programs offered by Sinclair and Kettering Med Center that Miami Jacobs should close down their unaccredited program and quit riping off students who are paying a boat load of money for a lousy program!

By null

July 30, 2010 11:13 AM | Link to this

They are out of $25,000 dollars! they should be reimbursed.

By Nobody

July 30, 2010 11:10 AM | Link to this

It’s about time, this has been going on for too long. Lotsa Dough, you are right, there’s no way that school will refund any money even though it’s their moral obligation to do so. Probably some sort of waiver in the contracts that students sign so, legally, they aren’t obligated. Just guessing on that, but…….

By Manager

July 30, 2010 11:01 AM | Link to this

This is good news. As a hiring manager when I see that institution on a resume it is never considered. They should have courses work on personal grooming and how to professionally present in an interview.

By Lotsa dough

July 30, 2010 10:47 AM | Link to this

Wow, that’s lots of money those students are out if they do indeed pull their approval. Think MJCC will refund the money? Probably not!