By Joe Lacey

November 6, 2007 7:58 PM | Link to this

Please check the tape. At the meeting you refer to I asked the President for the floor, then when she granted me the floor I asked attorney for a definition of slander. The president told him not to answer me so I gave my response and as I was speaking the president began to interupt. At that point I told her that I had the floor, a point to which she agreed. If I raised my voice a little it was because someone was trying to talk over me while I had the floor. If you think that people should be allowed to talk over someone they disagree with your looking for chaos at meetings. I prefer order.

By Watching

November 6, 2007 11:28 AM | Link to this

Oh Joe, c’mon, surely you are not saying you did not yell and scream in a board meeting….you yelled at the president lady, screamed for a definition of the word slander and acted an utter unprofessional clown up there? Scott wrote a blog on it entitle “Sparks fly at DPS Board Meeting” and there is a videotape on it (I’m sure the DPS channel can provide copies if anyone would like to see it….I think they work out of the Patterson Career school downtown….check that!). Dude you are doing yourself in here by showing how well and easily YOU can tell untruths and avoid reality. I beg all GOTB readers who have seen the board meeting tape I refer to to please weigh in here, am I lying on ol’Joe? Joey, another free political lesson for you: NEVER lie to your constituents when there is TAPE to prove YOU DID IT! As I’ve said before, the countdown has started on you dude, it’s time for NO MORE LACEY in ANY elected office in DAYTON! Funny not many of your ‘supporters’ are now coming to your rescue, doesn’t that tell you something Joey!??

By Joe Lacey

November 6, 2007 6:58 AM | Link to this

Watching is posting fiction. Losing my temper, screaming, or pounding on a tables didn’t happen. Not even Oldprof tries to accuse me of such fiction. I discuss my differences with my board members as anyone would expect me to. That’s not the same as pointing out the shortcomings of others. As board members, if we have a different opinions from or know facts to be the contrary of those presented to the board, our job is not to keep them to ourselves. And Oldprof, I made no requirements about the way the minutes are presented. You may be confusing me with the State Auditor. I’m still waiting for examples of the individual accomplishments of my colleagues on the board.

By Watching

November 6, 2007 12:15 AM | Link to this

Dirk, Might I suggest you read the blog stream before you jump in for your ‘buddy’. In this blog (Nov 4) I wrote: Joe tells us to review the board minutes�I agree with him and have spent the past few months doing just that and guess what I found out? Joe votes the same as the other board members the vast majority of the time! All this yelling and finger pointing and 98% of the time Joe you vote just like the others. So Dirk, I’ve been there, done that, now perhaps YOU WOULD like to get your hind end to scroll down on a blog to ensure you have the full stream of comments before you jump in mid stream. Geez.

By dirk sniggler

November 5, 2007 12:42 PM | Link to this

Watching, if you’d like to know so much about Joe Lacy’s accomplishments, get your hind end down to the school board office and look up his voting record. Geez.

By Oldprof

November 5, 2007 11:47 AM | Link to this

Such a lively tete-a-tete. OK Joe, you pushed for “responsible contracting language”—I presume that means the contracts signed with construction firms, or was that the collective bargaining agreements, and in what way was the original language “irresponsible”? So far I’m aware of one accomplishment that you personally can take the blame for: you required that board meeting records be a full-text transcript rather than pariliamentary minutes (BTW, minutes—done according to Roberts’ Rules—are state law, which is why I stated “blame” instead of “credit”). You claimed in your campaign that you planned to go over the districts’ books but so far you have reported no findings—if you did it at all. Other board members could have pointed specifically to accomplishments in their first couple of years on the board if asked—so I add my voice to those asking “where are yours?”

By Watching

November 5, 2007 9:01 AM | Link to this

Joe, you truly are a piece of work! My gift to you at this point is a recommendation you find and complete a Politician Class 101. Nice try attempting to rephrase my question to answer it how you want, but please reread my blog…I never said ‘personal shortcomings’, and if you are willing to sit on this blog and claim you have NEVER accused the current board of shortcomings than you really do think we are all dumb. Joe this is the basis of your entire political career, ie, complaining about the shortcomings of the board (Ludlow purchase, how they handle the budget, tearing down vs restoring school bldgs, etc.). Your attacks have been both process and personal and you know it! Dude, you have built a (quickly evaporating)base from your fingerpointing, yelling and screaming about the board (individuals and as a whole) and setting yourself up as odd man out, Lacey vs. the evil board members, so please don’t insult my intelligence or the intellect of the GOTB readers by claiming otherwise now. You say all you’ve had are some disagreements? Joe disagreements among adults are meant to be discussed, negotiated, hopefully find a happy medium, NOT lead to yelling and pounding on tables and filing lawsuits against YOUR OWN board! I realized you were not a good board member the day I realized I would never want you teaching children how to work on a team or anything else for that matter. Perhaps the saddest part is you obviously have lofty political goals, but very elementary political skills. Enjoy the spotlight of your board seat because I sincerely don’t think you’ll ever get much further in the political realm. Another political lesson I offer to you free of charge, next time you set out to fool your constituents practice holding onto that temper of yours longer, dude that’s what let me see the real you, ie, I watched a board meeting on TV where you totally lost it dude and then I knew….the clock is ticking Joe, the countdown to your ouster has begun!

By Joe Lacey

November 4, 2007 11:37 PM | Link to this

Watching, it is you who would not give me an example of individual accomplishments. I’ve posted mine and you’ve called them weak. You didn’t say why they were weak or compare them to any other individual accomplishments from my colleagues that would demonstrate that mine are weak. And when did I scream about the perceived shortcomings of others. I’ve had differences of opinion with my colleagues. That isn’t pointing out personal shortcomings. You are making things up.

By Watching

November 4, 2007 8:18 PM | Link to this

Joe, I give up, you win, you’re not going to answer the question because you have nothing to claim as your own. Steve, you can continue this game with Joe but I’m done. It’s really quite sad that someone who has built a political career on screaming about the perceived shortcomings of others really has no real accomplishments of his own to talk about, or could it be this is WHY he spends so much time finger pointing and screaming because it keeps anyone from reviewing HIS record! The clock is ticking Joe, your game is unraveling dude……

By Joe Lacey

November 4, 2007 2:36 PM | Link to this

Steve and Watching, I’m looking for examples of things individual board members have done from start to finish. The things that you mention were, for the most part, ideas conceived and laid out by adminiatrators and others that board members, including myself in some cases, signed on to. In the case of new school construction, Gail Littlejohn was initially opposed to a building program while I campaigned for it in 2001. Purchasing a new admin building, I’ll give you that one. It probably belongs to Attorney Littlejohn. Some of the reforms were programs that started before Kids First. You need to be more specific.

By steve

November 4, 2007 10:36 AM | Link to this

Goodness Watching I don’t think I could have said any better myself! You hit on everything that I was drafting this morning. Mr Lacey please just point out three things that you can claim as your own from start to finnish that’s all I am asking you to do. Also my apologies to Mario for mispelling her name in my last post .

By Watching

November 4, 2007 12:46 AM | Link to this

Joe,you just lost me with that lame response. YOU have told us numerous things other board members have done (much of which you obviously don’t agree with)….let me refresh your memory 1.) put in place a reform plan, initiated new school construction, consolidated the admin buildings, increased the graduation and attendance rate, started new school options like DECA, single gender, AMA and Computer Design School, but now you have the audacity to ask Steve to tell you what others have done. Joe, we know what others have done, your being asked WHAT YOU HAVE DONE! Face reality young man, you haven’t done a darn thing but complain and give half truths that get people who don’t bother to research reality tuned into your games. You mention Ms. Littlejohn’s acceptance of a new position and Mario’s alleged interest in the city commission, BUT you don’t mention Littlejohn served six-plus years and I believe Mario is nearing nine years BEFORE they explored other options. Joe, your just hitting two years and because you have already tried to jump ship (you applied for the county treasurer position) it is clear to me you are not committed to DPS or children. People wake up, Joe tells us to review the board minutes…I agree with him and have spent the past few months doing just that and guess what I found out? Joe votes the same as the other board members the vast majority of the time! All this yelling and finger pointing and 98% of the time Joe you vote just like the others. The only accomplishment you can really claim is an uncanny ability to self-promote and get your name in the paper. But I believe Daytonians are doing what they should have done two years ago and that is begin to question your motives and substance. The answer is obvious and I truly believe because of this your time in the spotlight is going to come to a crashing halt!

By Joe Lacey

November 3, 2007 9:41 PM | Link to this

Steve I pushed for responsible contracting language. That’s in the board minutes as well as the other accomplishments I’ve listed. I’m not sure what you want. Perhaps if you could point out some of the accomplishments of my colleagues as examples maybe I would have a better idea of what you are looking for from me.

By D.T.

November 3, 2007 8:01 PM | Link to this

Mary, I have absolutely no problem with a politician who identifies problems, just one who appears to ONLY identifies problems. I don’t see how someone providing positive solutions to problems that cloud my students’ futures is a “downer.” On the contrary someone who only identifies the current problems in the system without proposing how to fix them is extremely depressing to me (a relatively informed voter). As mentioned before I am not anti-Joe Lacey, I simply want to see him and other candidates to tell me what they are planning to do to fix the problems that permeate this district. Joe, it’s fine with me that you have future aspirations but in the back of my mind I have to wonder if you truly have the best interests of the children in mind or if you are using this position to gain additional clout to fuel another campaign. You can say that is unfair or unjust, but when since you ran for a state level office twice before being elected to a local office I can’t help but question your motivation for being on the board.

By Barb

November 3, 2007 7:43 PM | Link to this

Joe I have to agree with Steve in that any of us undecided would benefit from actual things you have done and not generalizations. The generalizations tend to make me think you have nothing to show and I am more than willing as a registered voter to listen to what you have to say but I need concrete examples.

By steve

November 3, 2007 4:06 PM | Link to this

I don’t recall the Jerk comment but I have said other things about Mr Lacey. I think your latest posting is weak in substance not to mention the fact that it took you 5 days to reply. (must have been looking to see if I was a registered voter which I am) I want 3 concrete things that you have done that is verifiable through board minutes or newsprint or other media. Rest assure that without this proof you will not get a votte from me nor any contributions from the organization that I am affiliated with and we give all the time. At our last meeting Ms Gallion was recocomended due to wanting responsible contractor language written into these new building contracts so quit playing dodge ball Joe and answer the darn question. Your really starting to irritate me with your childish antics. YOUR THE ELECTED OFFICIAL NOT ME!!!

By Schoolsupporter2

November 3, 2007 11:16 AM | Link to this

Hey Oldprof, do you suffer from the collegiate affliction of too much selfadoration? Other people are allowed to have opinions on here that aren’t married to a board member. BTW what are 3 things that board member and you have done for the school district? 1: Wait too long to put up a 15 mill levy? 2: Not maintain buildings and waste money on adminstrators through the years? 3: Fail to maintain adequate employement of effective teachers and effective discipline in the buildings? I understand your need for yourself to be the only fountain of knowledge but others have a right to post unless Scott is censoring messages now. And a good teacher would use a vocabulary and method to effect learning on the part of his students rather than words like “benighted” that most have to look up in a dictionary. Say goodbye to the ivory tower. Vote No on Issue 20 and on Future large school levies too!

By Oldprof

November 3, 2007 10:13 AM | Link to this

Dirkie, “corruption” is a crime. If I called you a pedophile would you feel I was justified? After all, I have just as much proof of your active child molesting as you do of board corruption. Maybe more so; you’re calling people “corrupt” who are putting in full-time hours for a four-digit annual salary. Yes, this is an open forum and you’re allowed to post ridiculous stuff; some of us feel that your falsehoods need to be called what they are lest anyone be fooled by them.

By Joe Lacey

November 3, 2007 9:39 AM | Link to this

Mario has talked to about running for city commission, Attorney Littlejohn’s new national position was made possible by her work on the board, and D.T. accuses me of using the board as a stepping stone. I have been open about the fact that if an opportunity that allows me to do more to address the challenges facing our district were to come, I wouldn’t rule it out. Steve posts that I’m a jerk and then expects to have a substantive conversation with me about my issues. I don’t think it works that way. As a board member, I’ve empowered neighborhoods to stand up and take part in the direction of the building program that will greatly effect their community. I’ve shed some light on a board used to back room dealings. I’ve expanded the non-discrimination policies to include gay men and lesbians. I’ve worked for more board involvement in fiscal policy of the district but much of that work has been thwarted by a board majority too sensitive to accusations of micromanagement. I’ve supported the the reform efforts that have had the greatest effect on our classrooms, most of which have been gutted by the most recent round of budget cuts.

By Mary

November 2, 2007 2:47 PM | Link to this

D.T, I would rather have a politician who at least admits, acknowledges, and can identify problems rather than the perennial cheerleader who tells uninformed voters what they want to hear. Politicians who talk about problems and solutions are generally unelectable because of a dumbed down blissful voter pool who wants to elect Santa Claus. Anybody less is considered Scrooge or “Debbie Downer”. That is why our system will suddenly collapse like a stack of cards unless voters become better informed and deal with reality. The media is part of the problem.

By D.T.

November 2, 2007 1:39 PM | Link to this

Unlike most I have mixed feelings about Joe Lacey. Perhaps our board does need someone who is willing to challenge their thinking. As he says the school board certainly should maintain oversight over the district’s budget. On the other hand it seems obvious that he has an agenda (the board appears to be only a stepping stone) and that he wants very much to cause trouble on the school board. I am always leery of politicians who identify myriad problems but few solutions. Electing those he supports to the Board would give him considerable clout (although he claims they would be independent thinkers), I am curious to know what he plans to do with that clout. No longer could he play the role of maverick if he has three supporters on the board. Finally I agree with Steve in saying that he spoke primarily about what he’d like to do and extensively about who he’d like to support, but very little about what he’s actually done.

By James

November 2, 2007 12:06 PM | Link to this

On Tuesday, November 6th, please vote. Your vote for Dayton School Board members is really important. The agenda of student achievement, safey, school funding and unity should be or priorities. Jeffrey Mims is the person with the most successful experince in all areas of education, unity and advocacy for children and adults. He deserves your vote.

By dirk sniggler

November 2, 2007 5:38 AM | Link to this

Hmmmm…labeling a generalized group of people as corrupt (same thing as saying Congress is “corrupt”), is now slander? Although I was was referring to the administrative class of DPS. Yes, corrupt. Can’t thrive there if you are not. Get REAL and quit being a ridiculous baby.

By Oldprof

November 1, 2007 9:23 PM | Link to this

Again I marvel at the depths to which we can sink. James SS2 doesn’t even know that the national no-call list doesn’t apply to charities or politicians, yet feels competent to lecture us about who to vote for. Hey James, try learning something before you offer comment, eh? Meantime, Sniggler says that the board is a corrupt mess of middlemen? Corrupt, Dirk, is slander (ask Joe Lacey for a definition), and middlemen is an unfortunately uninformed term for a controlling board that’s composed primarily of women. Yes, you all have a right to your opinions—but they deserve to be revealed as regrettably benighted.

By James school supporter 2

November 1, 2007 5:53 PM | Link to this

As a nonresident I say vote the bunch out. Put in new blood. It definitely can’t get any worse and incompetent. Despite DDN trying to act impartial but always telling us onlytheir version about DPS school board, Issue 20, etc. No. No. No. Try something new. Schools should have had an operating levy on the ballot and Issue 20 should have been in separate pieces for people to choose. My phone number is on the do not call list and I got a call for Issue 20 today from a non phone number. Didn’t even show zeros.

By Steve

November 1, 2007 4:57 PM | Link to this

Mr Sniggler since when does asking for an elected official to tell the community of his accomplishments while in office equate to demonizing? I too want a good school board and in all likelyhood not be voting for the incumbents does that make me party to the corrupt mess? As a constituant of Mr Lacey’s am I not entitled to a progress report from him? He seems eager to research voter registration records to see if bloggers on this site are bonifide, why can’t I ask the same of him. I believe Mr Lacey is part of the problem as well. He has time to look up records but not answer to his constituancy? You tell me Dirk! Now there will be two answers that I’ll wait for on this blog site and never recieve. I think you just like stiring the preverbial pot of poo but never have anything concrete to say, but with a moniker like your I shouldn’t expect anything less

By dirk sniggler

November 1, 2007 12:53 PM | Link to this

It’s pretty obvious from the comments on this board that ANYONE who dares meddle in the corrupt mess of middlemen known as DPS will be demonized. Go Joe Lacy Go!

By Save Dayton from Joe

October 31, 2007 10:16 PM | Link to this

Nice performance, Joe. Mixing your political cravings with oscar aspirations is quite entertaining. Dayton, DO NOT BE FOOLED, performing to his own script, Joe Lacey is the consumate wolf in sheep’s clothing.

By steve

October 31, 2007 9:17 PM | Link to this

Mr Lacey we are still waiting for your answer in respect to three acomplishments you can claim to be yours. I care not what your about, I want to know what you have done! I am prepared to re-ask this question everyday. If you have no concrete contributions please say it nd get it over with. You are an elected official and are obligated to answer the question. If you feel your not obligated please explain why!

By mario

October 31, 2007 5:35 PM | Link to this

Candidates’ Night at the RTA Cultural Center- Thursday, Nov. 1 candidates for the school board will be at the RTA Cultural Center at the intersection of Third Street and Edwin C. Moses Blvd. It is sponsored by the Concerned Parents group and will begin at 6:30pm. There will be opportunities for the public to ask questions of the candidates and learn about the issues. Don�t forget to vote Tuesday, November 6.