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The man who drew Pete Rose

There is a new book out called “Drawing Pete,” a book stuffed with cartoons of Pete Rose drawn over the years by former Cincinnati Enquirer sports cartoonist Jerry Dowling. It’s a winner that anybody who loves (or despises) Pete Rose should grab.

Dowling asked me to write the foreward in the book and I’m going to share it with you here. Then go out and buy the book. It’s available mostly in Cincinnati and at the Cincinnati Reds Hall of Fame.

By the way, Rose will be in Dayton on Thursday morning speaking at the annual Community Leadership Breakfast to benefit Boy Scouts at the Mandalay Banquet Center.

The foreward I wrote:

When it comes to the cartoonist’s pen, Pete Rose is easy and Pete Rose is perfect. He is a walking caricature. With his jutting jaw, his constantly changing hairstyle and his forest-fire lifestyle, he is the perfect foil. Rose once said, “To play baseball, I’d walk through hell in a gasoline suit.” And that’s the way he walked through life, setting himself on fire wherever he want, on and off the baseball field.

Nobody captures the hairpin twists and turns of Rose’s life better than talented cartoonist Jerry Dowling. Rose may have been easy to draw — and Dowling does it better than anybody — but capturing his life and its constantly changing ascents and descents was something Dowling mastered.

From his rise as a brash rookie who ran hard to first base on walks, a deed that earned him the nickname “Charlie Hustle” from former New York Yankees pitcher White Ford, to his plunge into the abyss of gambling on baseball, Dowling recorded it all cleverly with pen and ink.

Pete Rose was a beat writer’s delight and I was fortunate to cover it all, from the magestic takeoff to the burning crash-landing. Want a tory? Walk over to Rose’s locker, click your Bic, open your spiral notebook and Rose would fill it full of pithy quotes and astoundingly funny anecdotes. His recall was unfathomable. He could go back five years and recall any at-bat, the pitch he hit for a double, the count, the inning, the situation.

I was commissioned to do a coffee table picture book called “The Pete Rose Scrapbook” in the 1970s. Armed with about 500 photographs, I sat down for breakfast with Rose. The backs of the photographs contained cutlines describing each event depicted in the pictures. Rose didn’t need them. Each time he was shown a photo, he described what was happening, when it happened, why it happened and he furnished anecdotal material. Fascinating stuff.

Off the field, he left you scratching your head. Once in Philadelphia, he walked through the hotel lobby arm-in-arm with his pregnant girlfriend and she wore a T-shirt over her swollen stomach on which was printed, “Pete’s Baby.” When his first wife, Karolyn, filed for divorce, it was no distraction to Rose. That night in New York he went 5-for-5 against the Mets.

As a player he had no equal at the craft of collecting base hits. He was obsessive. He doesn’t like people to say it, but he got more out of his abilities than any player … ever. There wasn’t a team in baseball that wanted him and the only reason he was given an opportunity was because the scout who signed him, Buddy Bloebaum, was his uncle and the Reds were doing Bloebaum a favor, never realizing they were doing themselves an unbelievable favor. When he reported to big-league camp, most of the players despised him because he was there to take the job of popular infielder Don Blasingame.

Rose and his magnetic personality won them over. Rose’s competitive spirit was always on the sleeve on his uniform and sometimes it bristled, especially during his 44-game hitting streak. He was angry after Atlanta relief pitcher Gene Garber ended the streak by striking him out with a 3-and-2 slider.

“He pitched me like it was Game 7 of the Word Series,” said Rose. Even Rose should have known that if he was Gene Garber, he, too, would have done anything imaginable to be the guy to stop the streak.

Rose helped win an All-Star game in Cincinnati and ruined a career. He scored a run by obliterating Cleveland catcher Ray Fosse, who was never the same after injuring his shoulder. The night before, Rose had entertained Fosse with dinner at Rose’s home.

Rose was so popular in Cincinnati that when he became a free agent and went on tour listening to offers, fans ridiculed the Reds for not coming up with the cash and accouterements to keep him in Cincinnati. Rose was offered a Budweiser beer distributorship by the Busch family in St. Louis. He was offered a racehorse by Pittsburgh owner John Galbreath. The Philadelphia Phillies didn’t offer him the Liberty Bell or a lifetime supply of Philly cheesesteaks, but he took their offer and led the Phillies to a World Series title.

He wasn’t gone long. Eventually he came back to Cincinnati, amid much fanfare, as the team’s player/manager. His first time at bat, fans rattled Riverfront Stadium on its concrete foundation by diving head-first into third base.

Everybody knew Rose loved to gamble on horses, dogs, jai-alai, football, basketball, boxing, hockey and, hell, if you could have bet on track and field he would have done that, too. He began hanging around unsavory characters, body builders whose bodies were built by steroids. And he began betting on baseball.

People ask if writers covering the team knew he was doing it. We knew he loved to gamble. He didn’t hide it. His regular haunts during spring training were Tampa Bay Downs, a horse track, and Derby Lane, a greyhound-racing emporium in St. Petersburg. He talked openly about betting on football and basketball. He never, of course, talked about betting on baseball. He knew the rule was clear, posted on every clubhouse wall, Rule 21(D). Betting on baseball and betting on games in which you were involved brought life-time banishment.

But he was Pete Rose. He was Mr. Baseball. The rule didn’t apply to him. He wouldn’t get caught, and if he did he could talk his way out of it. He stiffed bookies. One Dayton bookmaker said, “If he wasn’t Pete Rose he would be in the bottom of the Ohio River with cement shoes.”

As a manager, he bet on games involving the Reds. He says he never bet against the Reds, only bet on them to win. But there were days when he didn’t bet and the same Dayton bookie said, “When Pete didn’t bet on the Reds that was like he was telling us that he didn’t think the Reds would win that day.”

In the spring of 1989, he was standing on a practice filed talking to me and another writer and said, out of the blue, “I have to go to New York for a couple of days. The commissioner wants to ask my opinion on a couple of things.” It was strange. Why would the commissioner request an audience from a major league manager at the start of spring training, “To ask his opinion on a couple of things?”

Couldn’t that be done over the telephone? That was his summons by the commissioner to answer questions about an upcoming Sports Illustrated story that Rose had bet on baseball.

Right then was the turning point of Rose’s life. I was time to come clean. Time to ask for help. As a forgiving nation, fans would have sided with Rose and his problems. Baseball probably would have suspended him for a short time, required him to get help and that would have been that.

Rose, though, took the low road, took a 15-year denial trip, denying, denying, denying and once saying, “I’m only guilty of being a bad picker of friends.” Even faced with the staggering evidence compiled in investigator John Dowd’s report, he denied, denied, denied.

The Dowd Report, completed in 1989 before Rose’s banishment from baseball, opened a lot of eyes, including mine. While I had no idea he was bettor on baseball, the Dowd Report revealed some things I had witnessed. Rose once called Detroit manager Sparky Anderson from his office before one game when I was seated there. He asked Sparky, “How’s your pitcher tonight? Does he look good?” When he finished the call, I asked Pete, “Detroit is in the American League so why do you care about tonight’s pitcher?”

His answer was, “You know me, Hal, I just want to know what’s going on all over baseball.”

After reading the Dowd Report, I surmised that Rose was pumping Sparky for information before making a bet. Even when he admitted he bet on baseball, he did it all wrong.

Taking a $1 million commission, he admitted in a book, “My Prison Without Bars,” that he did, indeed, bet on baseball, including games involving the Cincinnati Reds. Before the book’s release, he went on television and admitted his guilt, but continued to dodge the truth. He said he never made bets from the clubhouse, but one of his bookmakers, Ron Peters, said he not only made bets from the clubhouse, he made them from a dugout telephone.

Peters said Rose called him once and while they were on the phone Peters looked at his television during a pregame show and saw Rose in the background, in the dugout, talking to Peters on the telephone, placing his bets.

There is no doubt in my mind that Rose belongs in the Hall of Fame. Think about it — 4,256 hits. No player will do that again. If a players has 200 hits a year for 20 straight years, that’s 4,000. And he still is 256 hits shy of Rose’s record.

There also is no doubt in my mind that Rose never should be allowed back into the game. He violated the cardinal rule of baseball and lied about it for 15 years. It’s a Catch-22.

He is not eligible for the Hall of Fame until he is reinstated from his banishment. If he is reinstated, he can come back to the game in some capacity and be eligible for the Veteran’s Committee to put him in the Hall of Fame. That won’t happen. The veterans are dead-set against him.

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By Bruce

February 11, 2009 11:27 AM | Link to this

Which is why I have marked MLB off of my list, Pete not in the Hall is a travesty and a huge joke! Steroids! No one cares, and these guys will end up in the Hall. MLB is no fun anymore. It gives me great satisfaction to see MLB go down the tubes. As long as Pete isn’t in the Hall they have no Hall of Fame! I believe Rose’s accomplishments are so great that the current Hall members are jealous at how great he is! I don’t see his BRMachine teammates coming to his aid. If he didn’t pose a threat to them, they would be there. But he is bigger than them, therefore the jealousy. I will never go to another game nor to the Hall of Fame to visit as long as the HIT KING is not allowed in. It is all one HUGE joke. And Selig is a moron!!

By gopete

February 11, 2009 10:37 AM | Link to this

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By HavaKlu

February 10, 2009 1:15 PM | Link to this

Wizard—-I’m intrigued by the possibility we may have been opponents in HS or even teammates. I played for Col. White ‘62-‘64 and also knew Walt Day. Who did you play for?

By barry

February 10, 2009 11:46 AM | Link to this

Yes, Pete screwed up by betting on baseball. While he did bet on Reds games, I don’t believe he ever bet against them. He played the game the right way. When a ballgame was over, you knew that Rose had given his all. You can’t say that about todays players. Rose ran to firstbase on walks, today a lot of players don’t run to first if they hit a ground ball to an infielder. They jog half way and then turn for the dugout. Pete knew how to play the game and he did it very well, so yes, he should be in the Hall of Fame.

By michael

February 10, 2009 11:38 AM | Link to this

Gary, good points. But I will say that you better believe that my little boy knows who Pete Rose is as a player. We talk a lot of baseball, and We watched the 75 World series on DVD and he received a free masters degree in Rose-ology. I have explained Pete’s indiscretions, but have educated him on the player as well. He actually asked me if he could have number 14 this year for Little League.

By Gary Maloy Jr.

February 10, 2009 11:25 AM | Link to this

I agree with both B-Rad and michael, and with cait. I grew up in North Dayton/Huber Heights and hardly ever went a day without listening to the Reds (even the games from the west coast on my transistor radio hidden beneath my pillow after ‘lights out’) from about 1969 through 1979 when I left for the Air Force. But, michael, I have to differ a bit with your, “I don’t see how anyone can say that Pete hurt the game as a player, which is why the fans should get there day to see Pete in the Hall…not for Pete so much, but for us fans who were lucky enough to be able to watch him perform.” NO, NO, NO, His play deserves WITHOUT A DOUBT Hall of Fame admission. Everything he did was above board until he started betting on the game. But we were lucky enough to see him play. Most of us (I assume) have the DVDs. And Charlie Hustle will always live in the Hall of Fame in our minds. But Pete Rose, the total picture, does not deserve HoF admission. Firstly, he isn’t wanted by the Veterans Committee. Secondly, He’s already there, in deed if not in name (a plaque on the wall, that is). For Charlie Hustle’s sake, I wish Rose was better portrayed in the media for the younger fans. We all grew up hearing what a jack-a*s Ty Cobb was as an apponent and teammate. We had to search for his accomplishments in the annals of baseball history. It is much the same with today’s youth. They hear of his scandalous behavior the past 20 years and think that’s the story. Pete Rose’s playing career, given the technological advancements since Ty Cobb’s day, should be all over ESPN Classic and those types of programs/channels. The kids don’t even know what we’re talking about when we talk about Rose the player. THAT is the tragic part of the story, not that he isn’t enshrined in Cooperstown for us to visit. Thoughts? Comments?

By Cait

February 10, 2009 10:08 AM | Link to this

At this point, I don’t care if Pete ever gets into the HOF. Lots of his stuff is there. I’ve said over the years that I think the ban should be lifted only for his HOF eligibility but remain for his ever coaching again. Like Hal said, however, the vets committee seems wholy against it, so why belabor the point. Pete made his choices, he has to live with the consequences. That said, I’m glad I grew up watching the Big Red Machine. Pete and those guys are the reason I’ll always love BB, even in the steroid era.

By michael

February 10, 2009 5:33 AM | Link to this

B-Rad, you are on the money. I guess that when you put it in perspective..Pete gets his due credit. All the haters have to acknowledge that Pete is the All- Time hit King and there really is no better place to be than at the top of that list. But, I don’t see how anyone can say that Pete hurt the game as a player, which is why the fans should get there day to see Pete in the Hall…not for Pete so much, but for us fans who were lucky enough to be able to watch him perform.

By B-Rad

February 10, 2009 4:24 AM | Link to this

Pete Rose SHOULD be in the HOF-no doubt. Yes-he bet on baseball(something which he should have and did get kicked out of baseball for) and worse, he lied about it for years. Both bad things that will tarnish his reputation forever, but none of that ever effected the 4,256 hits that he got and the World Series that he help win. Gambling never helped him improve his play or his stats like so many of the steroid cheaters like Bonds, McGwire, Clemmens, and A-Fruad. I agree with Hal-NO PLAYER will ever pass Rose in all-time hits. Ichiro might have if he hadn’t played so many years in Japan first. So Rose may never be in the HOF, but he will ALWAYS be the all-time hits leader.

By arizona Pat

February 10, 2009 12:29 AM | Link to this

The popular phrase these days is ‘body of work’ as in ‘was his body of work hall of fame worthy before he took steriods?” If you applied that to Pete, then he would be worthy of the hall.

By Big Daddy

February 9, 2009 10:32 PM | Link to this

He’s such a dirtbag he didn’t even tell the whole truth when he “told the truth”. Pete Rose is scum and gets what he deserves from baseball. He will never get in the HOF, nor should he. In Cincinnati it’s just “he just bet on baseball, he didn’t take steriods.” Nice argument. What he did is worse. Roid users could still get out. Pete Rose could set his lineup and bullpen activity on what he needed to win his bet. I know, I know, he only bet on the Reds. Good one Pete.

By RonnieO

February 9, 2009 7:23 PM | Link to this

So am to understand Don is somehow drawing a parallel between Pete Rose’s recidivist behavior and the founding fathers intentions with the Constitution AND Jesus’ ministry on earth? Aside from being non-proportionate, I find that kind of a leap in poor taste. Maybe it’s just me. Come on, it’s not at all the same. Sure, the Constitution has amendments, but the Bill of Rights is inviolate. Heck, even that all embracing movement Jesus started has some rules that you can’t negotiate your way out of. But if you wanted to make “forgiveness” the point of departure for your arguement - then that’s fine. Distasteful, but fine. Here then, is my point. Pete was given EVERY opportunity between 1989 and 2005 to come clean. To level. To tell the truth. To ask for forgiveness. The only thing Pete seems truly sorry about is that he got caught. And that he got punished. If all he did was “bet on a game”, if that’s the poor opinion you have of major league baseball, then why do you even care who is in it’s Hall of Fame? It’s only a game, right? By the way - I am a huge Pete the player and Pete the manager fan. I have every WS at bat they guy ever stood in for on DVD. As a ballplayer I think it is fair to say we may never see his equal again, in a lot of ways. BUt just because I love him as a player doesn’t mean I don’t understand and respect principles.

By donb51

February 9, 2009 7:01 PM | Link to this

Oh, yeah. Baseball rules are locked in concrete - until there was a black player allowed; until the designated hitter rule; not to mention all the games and records altered by illegal steroid use that we so conveniently forgive. Oh, and don’t forget that the US Constitution has how many amendments? I am sure Abner Doubleday and his crew are far more intelligent than the founding fathers in establishing life long immutable rules. I even guess Jesus Christ and the movement he started based on forgiveness should never have happened. Pete Rose? What a horrible man. He bet on a game. Let’s bannish him for life. Yeah, that will show everybody. Those measley 4200 and some hits? Don’t mean a thang. Never happened. Screw baseball.

By Wizard

February 9, 2009 5:58 PM | Link to this

I watched Pete play for a “Frisch’s”, amateur AA baseball team from Cincinnati, at Dayton’s Howell Field the year he signed, with the Reds. I stood with a “birddog scout”, of the Twins, Walt Day, behind the backstop during Pete’s games, and listened to him talk about all of the players on that team; and things I should learn about playing the game.During those sessions, Walt pointed out that there were five teamates on that team who were better than—and should have signed before Pete—But they didn’t have Buddy Bloebaum as their uncle—who scouted for the Reds, at that time! I played in that league the next year; but watching Pete’s start will always be a great memory! Humankind make mistakes—it’s a sad reality—The punishments Pete is enduring, will only be overcome by great memories.

By nyc

February 9, 2009 5:19 PM | Link to this

you pete rose fans…need 2 stop..mentioning other players..for any reason in your comments…pete did what he did…he needs to pay the price…enough said..he maid his bed..let him lay in it by himself…stop getting in his bed with him…

By RonnieO

February 9, 2009 4:42 PM | Link to this

John - you’re entitled to that opinion, but there is one unfortunate fact you need to understand. Posted on every clubhouse wall from the time Pete walked in major league ballpark to the day he was banned was the league policy on betting on baseball. There’s no wiggle room here, this is what it says - “d) Any player, umpire, or club or league official or employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has a duty to perform shall be declared permanently ineligible.” Whether we like it not, there was no similar ban on the use of PEDs, and until 2005 baseball had no official policy.

By preacher,franklin,ohio

February 9, 2009 4:29 PM | Link to this

who cares i will pray for him geter done for jesus god bless you all love in chirst preacher.

By jerry Dowling

February 9, 2009 4:19 PM | Link to this

If you read the book, and you can on the Edgecliff Press website, you find that I am not in any way defending Pete. It is a timeline of his career, good and bad, portrayed the way it was.

By John from Cincy

February 9, 2009 4:15 PM | Link to this

Steroid cheaters are 100 times worse than anything Pete Rose has done: Pete Rose - the results of his gambling is, he made or lost a few bucks. No games were thrown. No results manipulated or artificial. People say, “the possibility existed that he could’ve thrown a game”. Exactly. Possible, but it didn’t happen. Roids cheaters - robbed all baseball fans. Sacred, cherished records have been ruined. The entire statistical integrity of the game, for which the sport is based, is forever ruined. Do you think McGwire and Sosa still would’ve hit those home runs in 1998 without the aid of steroids? I think not. What about all the games that were influenced? Statistics, world championships and teams records have all been ruined by the steroid era. That to me is a much worse offense than Pete Rose having a few extra, or fewer, bucks in his pocket. And for those who say players like Bonds, Arod, McGwire were already Hall of Famers before they cheated, well so was Pete Rose before he gambled, but at least all of Rose’s hits are legitimate.

By Gary Maloy Jr.

February 9, 2009 2:03 PM | Link to this

Ah, the annual discussion about Pete Rose and his Hall of Fame candidacy, this time in the form of Hal’s preface for a new book about Charlie Hustle. In 1970, my grandparents gave me Rose’s “The Pete Rose Story” where he related stories about the dogtrack, horsetrack and lots of other stuff. Obviously, he had a gambling problem. His employer(s) should have seen this early and offered him help. Gambling is a sickness just like alcoholism is a sickness. Would Rose have accepted this ‘help’? No, of course not - he wasn’t the type. Rose’s accomplishments ARE already on display in Cooperstown. His records stand and many of them will never be broken. Rose is a victim of his own personality - both before and after he got busted for betting on baseball. Unfortunately, the Cincinnati’s greatest Hometown Hero will never get his just due. But it’s his own fault, isn’t it? (((PS. As far as Clemons, Bonds, McGwire and the others? They don’t deserve induction, either. Henry Aaron is the moral leader of the career home run race, HONESTLY beating the Babe. The same can’t be said for “Juice” Bonds. As far as Gaylord Perry - he threw a spitball - but was never caught at it (as far as I recall). Regardless, what he “did” was legal until about the mid-1920’s - and several early spitballers are also enshrined at Cooperstown). ))) Back to Pete. I’m paging through the book on-line. Check out page 30 where Pete is pumping quarters into a slot machine. OUCH.

By Mike-Cinci

February 9, 2009 1:24 PM | Link to this

Pete Rose is not officially in the HOF but many of his accomphishments and memorabilia are. The HOF in Cooperstown is loaded with Rose memories. You see a lot of Pete if you visit the Hall. As RonnieO so eloquently said Pete violated a sacred rule in baseball. You can’t bet on the game. Pete was a gambler all his adult life. Many believe he bet as a player and later as a player/manager. Following the baseball gambling issue Pete served 5 months in federal prison and was fined $50,000 for filing false income tax returns. As noted in Hal’s piece, many consider Pete lucky he was not terminated by the several bookies he stiffed on his bets. Many think the “boys” turned him in to get even. That said he is still the all-time hit king and there is no asterisk after the record. He has a nice life in Vegas and he is still making money giving speeches and signing autographs. America is a great country and Pete is one of its great characters.

By moose

February 9, 2009 1:01 PM | Link to this

I remember Pete Rose from my boyhood days as well. I remember Crosley Field, Riverfront Stadium, and the Big Red machine. I remember the enthusiasm and the ‘charge’ tune being played every time Pete came up to bat. And this continued on throughout my adolescence and adulthood. And I followed Pete throughout his playing days in Philly and Montreal, then back to Cincy. His career, hustle, stats, persona, legend will never be forgotten, by myself or the millions of the rest of us. We also cannot forget how he betrayed us. While he completely qualifies in so many ways for the Hall of Fame, and he has my forgiveness as a human being and as a huge fan, I hold him accountable for all that he has done. In the end, he compromised and tainted the game. I am grieved as I write these words, for my childhood had its rough and abusive spots, and Pete Rose brought hope back in those days. He looked so ‘everyday’, and we could all readily identify with him. Yet he always tried so hard on every play and at-bat (he ran out his ‘walks’). Charlie Hustle brought so much to the game and to our lives. We and the game did not need the pain and the betrayal that he chose as well.

By moose

February 9, 2009 1:01 PM | Link to this

I remember Pete Rose from my boyhood days as well. I remember Crosley Field, Riverfront Stadium, and the Big Red machine. I remember the enthusiasm and the ‘charge’ tune being played every time Pete came up to bat. And this continued on throughout my adolescence and adulthood. And I followed Pete throughout his playing days in Philly and Montreal, then back to Cincy. His career, hustle, stats, persona, legend will never be forgotten, by myself or the millions of the rest of us. We also cannot forget how he betrayed us. While he completely qualifies in so many ways for the Hall of Fame, and he has my forgiveness as a human being and as a huge fan, I hold him accountable for all that he has done. In the end, he compromised and tainted the game. I am grieved as I write these words, for my childhood had its rough and abusive spots, and Pete Rose brought hope back in those days. He looked so ‘everyday’, and we could all readily identify with him. Yet he always tried so hard on every play and at-bat (he ran out his ‘walks’). Charlie Hustle brought so much to the game and to our lives. We and the game did not need the pain and the betrayal that he chose as well.

By Big Daddy

February 9, 2009 12:53 PM | Link to this

Pete Rose is a scumbag. Stop defending this idiot. He is such a scumbag he can’t even tell the whole truth when he goes on TV to tell the truth.

By Big Daddy

February 9, 2009 12:52 PM | Link to this

Pete Rose is a scumbag. Stop defending this idiot.

By Tom

February 9, 2009 11:42 AM | Link to this

As an eleven year old growing up just north of Dayton and playing sandlot baseball with the other kids, there was always a heated discussion as to who was going to be Pete Rose.I still remember the day I opened a five cent pack of baseball cards and low and behold, there was a Pete Rose rookie card in the pack. Forty six years later, I still have that same card. Pete was my hero. I went on to play at the little league and high school level, but no way was I ever going to be as good as Pete. I don’t care about what Pete has done in the past. Yes, he should have had counseling because excessive gambling is a sickness and he should have faced his accusers and told the truth. But, he is and always will be the great Pete Rose. Even convicted felons get a second chance. We could go on and on in these comments about how bad Pete was and talk about some of the downfalls of some of our current players. They too should have been a little more truthful about their actions. As I’m sure it was with Pete “back in the day” and as it is now with our current players, our kids will think this is acceptable. He’s always going to be the All Time Hit Leader. Like Hal said, no one will ever break that record. In my book, Pete’s a Hall of Fame player and that’s what matters to me.

By Tom

February 9, 2009 11:39 AM | Link to this

As an eleven year old growing up just north of Dayton and playing sandlot baseball with the other kids, there was always a heated discussion as to who was going to be Pete Rose.I still remember the day I opened a five cent pack of baseball cards and low and behold, there was a Pete Rose rookie card in the pack. Forty six years later, I still have that same card. Pete was my hero. I went on to play at the little league and high school level, but no way was I ever going to be as good as Pete. I don’t care about what Pete has done in the past. Yes, he should have had counseling because excessive gambling is a sickness and he should have faced his accusers and told the truth. But, he is and always will be the great Pete Rose. Even convicted felons get a second chance. We could go on and on in these comments about how bad Pete was and talk about some of the downfalls of some of our current players. They too should have been a little more truthful about their actions. As I’m sure it was with Pete “back in the day” and as it is now with our current players, our kids will think this is acceptable. He’s always going to be the All Time Hit Leader. Like Hal said, no one will ever break that record. In my book, Pete’s a Hall of Fame player and that’s what matters to me.

By timb

February 9, 2009 11:38 AM | Link to this

Huber, I loathe Rose, but even i believe he belongs in the Hall. His punishment for lying all those years will be to posthumously elected, I imagine. I am merely pointing out the hypocrisy in Hal’s earlier position, but for the record, I love me my Hal. It’s why I read his stuff. he and I are just having a very one-sided and ineffective argument. As for michael, he and I disagree on Rose, but michael is good people too.

By HuberTucky

February 9, 2009 11:22 AM | Link to this

Too bad that baseball loving Dumbya didn’t give Pete a pardon. Rose should be in the HOF for his time as a player. Period. He was a stellar baseball player and record holder. He was awesome. As a person he might have been an A-hole but so what? So are most people one-way-or-another. Rose does not belong in the HOF as a manager, but as a player? Absolutely. He was awesome.

By timb

February 9, 2009 10:40 AM | Link to this

Michael, there you go with your Pete love again. Pete is banned from baseball for attacking the very integrity of the game. Bonds and McGwire used substances that were not against the rules to play better. Not breaking a rule = Bonds and Mcgwire. breaking the most important rule = Rose. Learn it

By RonnieO

February 9, 2009 10:22 AM | Link to this

Sometimes truth is indeed stranger than fiction. At the end of the day, it’s not the commissioners fault, not the BBWA, not the Veterans Committee, not Dowd or Vincent or Giamati - and it’s got not a single thing to do with drug cheats and steroid liars. The fault for Pete not being where he belongs - in the hall, rests firmly with Pete. There are precious few lines you cannot cross, and this one was so clear, that as Hal says - it is and always has been posted in EVERY clubhouse as that bright line you, as a player, do not cross. Thou shalt not bet on baseball. Period. Full stop. Pete knew it and he did it anyway. Pete was an amazing ballplayer, a credit to Reds for playing achievements, and dedicated past reason to his sport. But none of that changes who is to blame for what has occurred. It is truly a shame that Pete Rose has taken Pete Rose from us.

By michael

February 9, 2009 10:01 AM | Link to this

timb- there you go “hatin” on Pete again. Can you read? Pete holds a LOT of records that he achieved as a “player”. He always gave 100%, so we know he didn’t bet against his team as a player. He was caught betting as a Manager….so don’t give us the 2003 Grandfather clause bit. Steroid use is cheating….the said players were cheating as “players”. I am no moral authority, but what makes what Bonds and A- Rod did less immoral than Pete’ indiscretions?

By Craig

February 9, 2009 9:36 AM | Link to this

Hal, Great foreward. No wonder you are in the Hall of Fame. When can we expect you to write and publish your book?

By timb

February 9, 2009 9:33 AM | Link to this

Hal, I love ya and all, but this essay reminds about your weirdness re: steroids. You think Rose belongs in the HOF when he expressly violated the most known rule in all of baseball, but you think McGwire does not when he did NOT violate any rule of the MLB. Let’s repeat it for the folks out there who do not read well: there was no rule, prior to 2003, which barred players from taking PED’s. You’ll vote drunks and users of greenies into the Hall, but the man who saved baseball after Reinsdorf and Selig tried to destroy it. Just an odd decision

By Bart Giamatti for HOF

February 9, 2009 9:26 AM | Link to this

if you don’t think Pete took steroids, your are crazy…who do you think those weight lifting gambinos were that got him hooked up in the gambling.

By Bob

February 9, 2009 9:07 AM | Link to this

Today’s society is a sosciety of forgiving! I would much rather have a man who bet on baseball than who cheated the game by taking steroids>.

By Danny

February 9, 2009 9:01 AM | Link to this

Pete Rose should be in the Hall Of Fame! People Like Johnny Bench are dead set against him being inducted in the Hall Of Fame. Could it be that they hated each other even as team mates on the Big Red Machine. A very close insider once told me that Sparky Anderson should have been named Manager of the year every year because he Kept Pete and Johnny from killing each other.

By michael

February 9, 2009 8:45 AM | Link to this

Patchy- Pete Rose did PLAY the game the right way. I will always defend the way he played the game because I was there to see it, and that is how I tried to play and how I want my son to play…. not talking about his extra carricular activities. I am also a Johnny Bench fan who believes that he too played Baseball the right way, and had the right to speak his mind. Never thought less of JB for speaking out.

By Patchy

February 9, 2009 8:30 AM | Link to this

Shame that WLW can’t produce a list of the ignorant and obstinate who tied up its phone lines for years with Price Hill types defending Rose and even declaring him ‘innocent’ via the most ludicrous deconstructions of ironclad evidence against him. Johnny Bench, of all the people in the world, was somehow cast in the role of villain for merely expressing his (informed) opinion. As we all know Bench and many others were right all along but we STILL get the ‘Rose played the game the right way’ crowd unable to accept the outcome.

By Rick

February 9, 2009 8:20 AM | Link to this

The difference of course is that the players given many other chances were still making money for the owners. If Pete were under contract, still playing, and still pulling in fans to games, he would be forgiven, reinstated and all would be forgotten.

By jerry Dowling

February 9, 2009 8:07 AM | Link to this

The best way to find the Pete Rose book is to go to Edgecliff Press and click publications. There you can see the entire book page by page. You’ll see it doesn’t miss anything.Or email me at fstopjd@fuse.net

By jerry Dowling

February 9, 2009 7:51 AM | Link to this

The Pete Rose book is best ordered from the publisher and here is the link. http://www.edgecliffpress.com/Welcome%20to%20Edgecliff%20Press.html Jerry Dowling

By Louise

February 9, 2009 7:41 AM | Link to this

Pete was the true baseball player I nor many others don’t care if he bet he was coaching to win. Now that said he should be pardoned there are a million situations where people less deserving have their claim to fame and that can not be disputed. GO PETE Charlie Hustle will always be just that #14. Your fans love you!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By Pete

February 9, 2009 7:13 AM | Link to this

Pete will never get into the HOF. That said, neither should the bums who pumped themselves full of juiced & are lying thru their teeth — just like Pete. I’m happy to see that some of the voting writers, & Veterans Committee take a stand on the steroid punks. It would’ve been nice to see that they held the same standard for Gaylord Perry, Fergie Jenkins, et al.

By Bill

February 9, 2009 6:19 AM | Link to this

I was a HUGE Pete Rose fan when I was a kid and still today, even tho he broke the rules, I still believe he should be pardoned and re-instated into MLB and get his induction into the Hall of Fame. TOO many people since him have violated other laws, rules, etc., and have been allowed back into the game. Drug use has been tolerated and ‘accepted’ per say, by way too many people. Strawberry, Bonds, McGuire (to name a few), should be held accountable for their actions as well then. How many times did they deny or never admit to the truth about drug use? Oh, ok, I get it. It’s ok to lie about using drugs & not gambling. Guess everyone is used to their kids & friends lying about it so I guess that’s ok. Gee, I remember when there was a time that drug use was considered bad in the workplace. Just because you get help doesn’t always mean that you have kicked the habit (ie. Strawberry). People have been fired for less damaging drugs that what he was using. Gambling in a lot of states is now legal (ie. lotteries, casinos, etc.) and you can bet on pretty much anything. Enough is enough already. Pete Rose may have been a jerk and liar about gambling on Baseball; trying to make a few extra bucks. What’s the difference between that and buying a lottery ticket? It’s still gambling. Pete Rose has finally admitted his wrong doings, has put up the the disgrace and dishonor that fell upon his shoulders and should be pardoned and allowed to be re-instated. Heck, we had a President that lied about sexual relations while in office. That’s acceptable as well? What gives people?

By michael

February 9, 2009 5:26 AM | Link to this

Hal, great article- I sure hope Pete lives to see the day that he gets in the Hall of Fame. He gave more to the game than he took. I was one of those kids who always fought over number 14 in little league and even wore it in High School. Betting on Baseball had nothing to do with all of the records that he holds….what always amazed me as a young fan was how Darryl Strawberry kept getting reinstated after doing hard drugs, but Pete was banned for life for gambling?

By eric

February 9, 2009 4:05 AM | Link to this

dont spell check or anything before you publish it …it adds to its peteness

By dudey

February 8, 2009 11:54 PM | Link to this

keeping PETE ROSE out of baseball is like saying roger clemens,mark mcguire barry bonds and now a-rod (among many others),never used steroids to achive their records. if what ROSE did was wrong ,then is what those “men” did right? if you asked me ,that’s two -faced and that’s a shame that this country has dropped to this level!
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