By Tim in Stutgart

August 13, 2008 8:31 AM | Link to this

Excellent post Frank. Unfortunately, apparently, posters only read their own posts, and no one caught your point.

By Walt J.

August 12, 2008 11:10 PM | Link to this

WAtching the DBacks @ COL tonight on the MLB package a commentator produced the best stat to justify getting rid of Adam Dunn, He strikes out 49% of the time!! also he is expecting a new contract worth 125mil!!! good move Walt Jocketty!!!

By Kyle

August 12, 2008 7:06 PM | Link to this

I don’t get the trade at all. Why get rid of a guy who hits 40 homeruns, drives in 100 runs, and has an obp of around .350. Sure he wasn’t the best outfielder but he wasn’t the worst. I just don’t know how they can replace that power and run production.

By whodey4532

August 12, 2008 5:51 PM | Link to this

Tomas hit the nail on the head, Meaning less homeruns, and untimely errors. Dunn is a one tool player. I would take an average 5 tool player over Dunn anyday. Defense wins Championships.

By whodey4532

August 12, 2008 5:51 PM | Link to this

Tomas hit the nail on the head, Meaning less homeruns, and untimely errors. Dunn is a one tool player. I would take an average 5 tool player over Dunn anyday. Defense wins Championships.

By whodey4532

August 12, 2008 5:50 PM | Link to this

Tomas hit the nail on the head, Meaning less homeruns, and untimely errors. Dunn is a one tool player. I would take an average 5 tool player over Dunn anyday. Defense wins Championships.

By whodey4532

August 12, 2008 5:50 PM | Link to this

Tomas hit the nail on the head, Meaning less homeruns, and untimely errors. Dunn is a one tool player. I would take an average 5 tool player over Dunn anyday. Defense wins Championships.

By Tomas

August 12, 2008 5:15 PM | Link to this

This move was long overdue. Dunn only hit with the bases empty and/or when they were way ahead or way behind. He also moved like a lumbering ox in left field so maybe now we’ll get someone who can catch up to the fly balls out there. Now the D-backs fans will have the consternation.

By null-roger treadway

August 12, 2008 5:06 PM | Link to this

Are we reliving the days of “Daddy Wags”. I’m 58, lifelong Reds fan and resident. I now will find another NL team to back. I’m through with the Reds.

By null-roger treadway

August 12, 2008 5:05 PM | Link to this

Are we reliving the days of “Daddy Wags”. I’m 58, lifelong Reds fan and resident. I now will find another NL team to back. I’m through with the Reds.

By seriously?

August 12, 2008 2:44 PM | Link to this

Oh ya, and I was so thankful we didn’t get Dunn or Griffey and that they made no effort to get them. They are dead weight and we don’t need them. Our team is solid through and through and the chemistry is priceless. Go to a game at Wrigley someday, even my Reds fan brother says there is no baseball as fun as Wrigley.

By seriously?

August 12, 2008 2:41 PM | Link to this

I’d expect no better a come back from you, BIRDIE. The Cubs may not finish strong, but we’ve had much more of an exciting year to watch than most teams and that’s ok in our book. See, that’s why Cub fans are loyal through thick and thin. Even if we were in dead last with no hope, we would fill the stands and support our team.

By whodey4532

August 12, 2008 2:01 PM | Link to this

Goodbye Dunn, hello defense!!

By BIRDIE41

August 12, 2008 1:14 PM | Link to this

to the seriously Cub fan. the Cubs are the ones that should have traded for Dunn and they will wish they had by the end of the year when they choke as usual at the the finish of the year!

By seriously?

August 12, 2008 12:32 PM | Link to this

To the guy who said they can tear out 3/4 of the seats at Great American Ballpark… Don’t do that, the Cubs fans still fill the stands.

By seriously?

August 12, 2008 12:30 PM | Link to this

Yes, Dunn gave 40 homers and 100 RBIs each year, but he had 4X the strike outs as homers and he was a horrible defensive liability in left field. He gave up more runs on errors than he produced. You need to build a team around a leader, neither Dunn nor Jr. were leaders. It’s a joke that everyone talks about him going to a 1st place team. Arizona is 2 games over .500 and doesn’t deserve to be in the playoff race. No one from the West should be in the playoffs. Go Cubs!

By Jim

August 12, 2008 12:15 PM | Link to this

If you know so little about MLB that you honestly think they should have kept Dunn because he sells tickets and is fun to watch, please root for another team. I prefer a winning team over marquee players and these “marquee” players had eight years to win and didn’t.

By Ken

August 12, 2008 12:10 PM | Link to this

Well they have definitely cut cost with the 2 trades. They have also unknowingly reduced the amount of fireworks they will need to purchase as they no longer have anyone who could he a home run even if they were standing on second base to hit it.

By Chuck Dove

August 12, 2008 11:54 AM | Link to this

Ive been a reds fan ever since I can remember. Yesterday when I read on the internet they traded Adam Dunn I gave up on it this new ownership has proven to me they dont care about the future of this organation. They traded away so far the best players they had for what a class A pither maybe he`ll do great thing like Homer Baily has huh.

By Chuck Dove

August 12, 2008 11:54 AM | Link to this

Ive been a reds fan ever since I can remember. Yesterday when I read on the internet they traded Adam Dunn I gave up on it this new ownership has proven to me they dont care about the future of this organation. They traded away so far the best players they had for what a class A pither maybe he`ll do great thing like Homer Baily has huh.

By Matt

August 12, 2008 11:15 AM | Link to this

Oh and by the way, what ever happened to the inhouse guys who you draft, and make them work their way through the system? The only ones I can think of now that’s on the team are Votto, Bailey and Bruce.

By Matt

August 12, 2008 11:08 AM | Link to this

This trade really “grind my gears.” I’m so sick of the Reds making bad choices. I agreed with the Griffey trade, but this was an awful moves. Dunn was productive and has improved in the outfield. I’m putting the Reds on the backburner for the rest of the season. I agree with Cait, if the Reds move Javier Valentine, after 25 years i’ll find another team. Dusty needs to play him more because i think our lineup is much stronger when he’s in.

By Mark in Sun Valley

August 12, 2008 10:13 AM | Link to this

Dunn, Griffey and Ross gone. They were 1st, 3rd and 4th on OBP. Patterson remains. Lesson? Come to the plate flailing wildly and you have a place on this team.

By Scott

August 12, 2008 9:36 AM | Link to this

Kinda understood why we traded Jr, but Adam Dunn for nothing? At least we would have received some draft picks if we lost him to free agency. Always been a Dunn fan, ever since he was with the Dragons. People loved to pick on Dunn, the strikeouts and fielding, but you had to admit he was fun to watch. He could knock it out of the ballpark at any time and he PLAYED EVERYDAY, kinda rare these days. I will miss him for sure. Even with all the losing, I looked at the Reds box score everyday, just to see if he knocked another one out. Now why bother???? Gonna be hard to watch this team on TV, let alone go down to the ballpark.

By pacfandave

August 12, 2008 7:20 AM | Link to this

Having self-destructed on the field, the Deds…uh…Reds are now self-destructing in the locker room. Griffey, Dunn and Ross? That’s like the Yankees sacking Deter, A-Rod and Rivera. How much longer before the crowds start staying away in droves?

By Chuck

August 12, 2008 6:56 AM | Link to this

Dunn was the Dave Kingman of the Reds. When you needed a single, he was not the guy you wanted at the plate. To me that’s the difference between the top cleanup guys (Ramirez, Lee, etc) and pretenders like Dunn. There’s a reason teams did not want Dunn. You can come to your own conclusion on that.

By VietVet

August 12, 2008 6:52 AM | Link to this

Weren’t winning with Griffey or Dunn.(Looks like damaged goods in trade for Dunn though). Why not unload those big salaries and build from there? Need to unload Majewski also. Ineffective pitcher.No better than Stanton was.Need to find out whats wrong with Harang.Find a catcher who can hit. None of the current catchers are good hitters.Glad to see Ross gone. Never could hit when needed.Bako to follow. Need to start playing the small ball -singles/doubles game now.Actually need to put together more than two hits in a row. That would be a nice change. No power hitters left on the team. Forget the single home run game and start generating runs with base hits/smart base running/speed.

By Rick

August 12, 2008 1:48 AM | Link to this

Sign the pitcher who missed the dugout. Can’t do any worse and would be more entertainment.

By Rick

August 12, 2008 1:46 AM | Link to this

Wait Did I read that right? We give up a homerun threat for a 23 year old right hander who is 1-4 in the minors and 2 scrubs to be named later? These are ball players…. not baseball cards. Give me a break.

By Rick

August 12, 2008 1:45 AM | Link to this

Wait Did I read that right? We give up a homerun threat for a 23 year old right hander who is 1-4 in the minors and 2 scrubs to be named later? These are ball players…. not baseball cards. Give me a break.

By DanR

August 11, 2008 10:56 PM | Link to this

Let’s face it folks, only one team in five (or possibly two if you count the wild card) from our division makes it to the playoffs each year, so why do fans even bother to go to games once the race is over? They go to watch their favorite players to perhaps do something special at the game (like hit a home run or break Sammy Sosa’s HR record and become 5th all time). I’m really disappointed and will tune out the Red’s for the rest of this year. Hey, the Bengals are winning 20 to 10 on Preseason Monday Night Football right now! See ya Red’s.

By BIRDIE41

August 11, 2008 10:41 PM | Link to this

DanR is exactly right. The money lost in lower attendance will be well over the 4 million owed to JR and 2 draft picks will sure be better than an injured pitcher and 2 others of even less value that is being received for Dunn.

By wizard

August 11, 2008 10:39 PM | Link to this

It is about salary dump and getting top flight pitching—later.It wasn’t about the players received.

By BIRDIE41

August 11, 2008 10:34 PM | Link to this

Terrible Move by Jock I think these 2 moves of getting rid of Griffey and Dunn is a way to make Dusty happy so that he can play his all time favorite ballplayer(?) Corey Patterson every day in the outfield so that he might accidently be able to get his average down to the .100 mark.I finally heard Krivsky(on WLW today) say that the signing of Patterson was all Dusty’s idea which everyone surely knew all along. So now how to we get rid of Dusty & Corey?If Dunn was only worth an injured pitcher what could we get for them,maybe a few broken bats? Bob Castellini has and will continue to ruin this team and the city of Cincinnati!!!!

By DanR

August 11, 2008 10:27 PM | Link to this

When you don’t have a winning team, what brings fans to the ballpark? Is it the $6.50 beers or $8.50 hamburgers and fries? I think not. What the fans go to see are their favorite players/superstars. I would still go to a game this season to watch Griffy on his quest to be on of histories greatest home run hitters or Dunn in his quest for the 2008 home run title. I believe that the lost revenue to the team for the remainder of the season will be greater than the $4 million buyout of Griffey’s contract. We could have kept Dunn around until the end, put fans in the seats, and ended up with two first round draft picks when he left. Think about prior games this season and the jerseys that you saw in the greatest numbers in the stands. It was Griffey and Dunn with a few Phillips and Arroyo’s sprinkled in. I don’t think current management gets it!

By Mr. Redlegs (Original)

August 11, 2008 9:24 PM | Link to this

“Insane. Utterly insane.” Really? You can make that declaration without seeing the PTBNLs? For a 7-week rental due $4 million? Utterly knee-jerk overeax.

By Mike

August 11, 2008 6:53 PM | Link to this

135,000 intrepid fans came to the games last week. An average of about 25,500 a game. They saw thier beloved Reds team go 1-6, lose thier 6th straight, go 19 1/2 games out and last place. They drove hours to get to the game to get pink hats, a T shirt and spend lots of money. When the game is over they have to drive hours back home. It will be interesting to see how many attend the Reds/Cardinals on August 15th when they come home. I wouldn’t be at all surprised 25,000 show up, because they will tell you it’s all for the “game experience”. Mr. J is making moves, Mr. C says we will win next year. But for now, just bring patience and lots of your money!!

By CAREY, U.S. ARMY

August 11, 2008 6:24 PM | Link to this

Dunn is gone, on a Dunn deal. Not a good one, either - Nice going, Management. I guarantee that, with small-market thinking, we’ll be talking rebuilding for the Reds 2-3 years from now, and the Reds will still be fighting to take…the cellar.

By DbO

August 11, 2008 5:49 PM | Link to this

I’ve been a lifelong Reds fan since, but the last 9 years have been absolutely abysmal. Just when you think the Reds will finally put together a good team, they bring in an idiot for a manager and well the rest is history. Cincinnati fans deserve better. Instead we see our superstars traded for players that will never crack the 40 man roster.

By Justin

August 11, 2008 5:48 PM | Link to this

Think about it. Dunn wasn’t traded at the deadline because either no one wanted him or the asking price was too high. So the asking price came down a bit, and they found a taker. Buck has at least started to move up in the D-Backs organization, which can’t be said for these picks the Reds would’ve gotten in the draft. The PTBNL in the trade is probably one guy that the D-Backs need for the stretch run, and then a lesser prospect. I understand Reds fans are growing more and more impatient, but until ownership settles in and lets one guy run the organization for 5+ years, rebuilding will continue.

By Frank

August 11, 2008 5:48 PM | Link to this

The best thing about this deal, after listening to the assistant GM on XM a little bit ago is that the to PTBNL are going through waivers themselves, meaning they are on the Arizona 40 man roster, a lot closer to helping now than Buck.

By DZ

August 11, 2008 5:37 PM | Link to this

Insane. Utterly insane.

By Don In Ansonia Ohio

August 11, 2008 5:35 PM | Link to this

The Reds need vocal leaders not laid-back superstar hitters, like Dunn and Griffey. Any chance of cloning a younger Pete Rose? Maybe CINCY can get some Pete Rose skin cells from his autograph pen.

By Stone

August 11, 2008 5:32 PM | Link to this

Ok… trading Dunn was bound to happen. But getting a class A pitcher who had Tommy John surgery and two sandwiches to be named later is ALL WE GET?! What a CRAPPY deal! At least that idiot Bowden got decent return on trades. So far we gave up a HOFer and home run king for some no name relief pitchers. That sucks.

By Dallas Buck

August 11, 2008 5:05 PM | Link to this

Cincy fans, I promise you a world championship before I leave here.

By Martha

August 11, 2008 4:41 PM | Link to this

Yes, Dunn has been gone for quite a while now. Mentally, he hasn’t been there since his golfing buddy Griff was traded. Dunn and Griffey should have been the team leaders. They should have been team players. But their sloppy play canceled out their Big Bats. Those homers weren’t for the fans or for the team. While they were draws for unwitting fans, things couldn’t be much worse these days. Too bad the Diamondbacks don’t play the Sox. Guess they will have to arrange to hit the links on the off-season.

By Will

August 11, 2008 4:33 PM | Link to this

I’d rather take my chances with the comp picks. Regardless of how long it takes them to make it, its still better value. Players to be named rarely end up being prospects, usually they spend their career playing minor league baseball.

By Steve

August 11, 2008 4:32 PM | Link to this

When I saw this the first thing that came to my mind was SMALL BALL. Leatherpants loved the long ball and got as many bombers as he could. Where did that get us? Lets let Walt do his thing. The cash they save from Jr. and Dunn can lock up Cueto and Voltron for years to come. We may be watching the building of a team that can compete year after year. The way it should be.

By Beard

August 11, 2008 4:28 PM | Link to this

If the Reds had let Dunn walk they would have received 2 draft choices. Those choices would have either been a 1st rounder if the team signing Dunn picked 16 to 30 and then a 1st round compensatory pick sandwiched between rounds 1 and 2. If the team signing Dunn picked from 1 to 15 then the Reds would have gotten a compensatory 1st round pick and that team’s second round pick. Bottom line is that the players selected would not be able to make an impact in Cincinnati for at least 3 to 4 years from next June’s selection. Here the Reds pick up Baker and two other players yet unknown. Baker was once a very highly rated prospect who had to have Tommy John surgery. Well Tommy John surgery is now so routine that many players elect to have the surgery when given the choice between that and rehabbing and rest on marginal cases. Often times the player when recovered from the surgery actually has more velocity than before. Baker is currently in high A ball and will be assigned to Sarasota in the Reds organization. This will project him to be in Cincinnati possibly in the middle of 2010 or beginning of 2011. Where the draft choices wouldn’t be ready until 2012 or 2013 realistically. Now maybe Baker will be a flop but so could the draft choices. And we still don’t know who the other two players are in the deal. They could have some potential too. To me this is a pretty good deal given that the Reds had obviously made up their mind that they weren’t bringing Dunn back.

By Cait

August 11, 2008 4:21 PM | Link to this

To clarify my last entry - I meant to sale Valentin still gets no respect. He played Sunday for Votto and he and Dunn are the only hitters with quality ABs - they made the pitcher work. With Dunn gone and Valentin rarely playing, the Reds may go down on about 60 pitches a game with all the first or second pitch swingers on this team. This team is scary bad. I can’t even laugh at Bowden’s bad Nat’s team anymore.

By Pete

August 11, 2008 4:21 PM | Link to this

To all of the people whining about this trade — GET OVER IT! Dunce wasn’t going to take this team anywhere but further down… & Griffey had already accomplished that. No team was going to give the Reds squat for either of them. It’s time to rid this ball club (not a ball team) of the dead weight. Jocketty should continue by unloading EE, Patterson, Arroyo, & Baker (not particulary in that order). & to Mike in Dayton…. marquee players may put butts in the seats, but it doesn’t win ballgames. What’s the priority?

By ShockMonkey

August 11, 2008 4:19 PM | Link to this

I love the trade. You’re all reacting before knowing what the two PTBNL are going to be in return. Dunn was probably gone anyway so no big deal. He was a link to our losing past. It’s time to cleanse the losing mentality. Keep the purge going Walt. Please let it be Bako and Patterson!

By Kevin

August 11, 2008 4:18 PM | Link to this

Dallas Buck…he might not be worth squat… but at least his name has a ring to it. Must have been what Jerketty was thinking!

By mike

August 11, 2008 4:15 PM | Link to this

???? Is this better than receiving 2 1st round draft choices had they let him go through free agency? I guess it will depend on if Arizona can sign him in the off season. Predicted average attendance for remaining games at GABP should be around 8,000.

By matt

August 11, 2008 4:14 PM | Link to this

This is the last straw for me watching the Reds again. Pathetic managing of the general manager position. Wayne was better than Walt will be. MARK MY WORDS!!

By Cait

August 11, 2008 4:13 PM | Link to this

I really don’t get this trade, other than dumping salary. I was fine with letting Jr. go - give him a chance to win while we all knew the Reds weren’t picking up his option. And dumping Ross is fine - Reds catchers are among the worst defensively (don’t they lead the league in passed balls?). But now we have a .200 hitting everyday catcher and a weak hitting backup (still no respect for Valentin) and now CP has to start in the OF and he’s still below the Mendoza line. If I’m a Reds pitcher, I feign injury just to preserve my arm and W-L record since the already anemic offense is only going to be worse now. This team is harder to watch than those bad 80s teams. I thought Homer’s comment about the Bats having good morale said everything there is to say about this Reds team.

By clevbucks80

August 11, 2008 4:11 PM | Link to this

Dallas Buck, a single A pitcher?? So we traded Hamilton last year for a major league ready pitcher in Volquez and now we have a single A pitcher. If we let him go elsehwere in free agency we could’ve had 2 first rd picks. I sure hope Dallas Buck can pitch at Great American soon.

By Carl

August 11, 2008 4:05 PM | Link to this

It’s a shame management trades away marquee players like Griffey and Dunn. The Reds have become losers in National League Baseball. This just makes me a Diamondback and White Sox fan!

By BIRDIE41

August 11, 2008 4:01 PM | Link to this

Kevin has it right.the Reds have to be the laughing stock of all of baseball with their stupid trades and player moves.All Red fans need to root for the White Sox and Diamondbacks now to play in the W.Series

By Tom

August 11, 2008 4:00 PM | Link to this

Great move. Long overdue. Anyone would be better than Dunn in left field. Now, the next move will be releasing Brook Jacoby. He was only here to help Dunn hit and was totally ineffective there. It’s time for a different approach to hitting for this club.

By Tim

August 11, 2008 3:59 PM | Link to this

What is really intriguing about this is that Jr and Dunn could oppose each other in the World Series.

By Kevin

August 11, 2008 3:53 PM | Link to this

It just makes no sense to me. I would have locked that man down long term and built around him. Arizona took a look at their scrap heap and said have your pick. Once again Ill repeat... ATTENTION ALL MLB GMS!!! TRADE WITH THE REDS…YOU WONT HAVE TO TRY AND SCREW THEM...THEYLL SCREW THEMSELVES!!!

By BIRDIE41

August 11, 2008 3:49 PM | Link to this

UNBELIEVABLE, WHY NOT JUST ASK ARIZONA FOR A FEW BROKEN BATS AND A COUPLE OF DOZEN USED BASEBALLS?HAMILTON,GRIFFEY AND DUNN WOULD HAVE MADE A GOOD OUTFIELD IF THE REDS HAD A GOOD BASEBALL OWNER,GM AND ESPECIALLY A MANAGER THAT WOULD KNOW HOW TO USE THEM.ALL THREE GIVEN AWAY BASICALLY FOR ONE STARTING PITCHER(HOPE HE IS NOT A ONE YEAR WONDER).hOW THEY GOING TO EXPLAIN THIS ONE?THEY CAN TEAR OUT 3/4 OF THE SEATS AT GAB BECAUSE THEY WON’T BE NEEDED FOR SOME TIME TO COME.

By Cait

August 11, 2008 3:47 PM | Link to this

I hope this means they are going out on the free agent market to get a power hitter or two. There sure isn’t anyone in the minors who can replace Dunn’s numbers. I’m happy for Dunn - now he’s on a first place team. Maybe we can sweeten the deal for AZ and get them to send us Webb. Give them Bailey, Janish and Votto with Dunn for Webb. Those guys have high upside, but they can be easily replaced.

By Mike in Dayton

August 11, 2008 3:45 PM | Link to this

Typical Reds fashion to trade the marquee players after the all star break. I guess they have pretty much given up the rest of the season. Whether Jr. or Dunn have contributed, they sold tickets!

By Joyce

August 11, 2008 3:39 PM | Link to this

While the Reds offense will be a wasteland for the foreseeable future, I can’t say Dunn or Griffey made a huge difference in the Reds’ success the last 9 seasons. This really puts the pressure on Jocketty to bring in an offense.

By Mark in Sun Valley

August 11, 2008 3:39 PM | Link to this

It reads Dallas Buck, but why does it feel like Brandon Claussen to me? Maybe the Tommy JOhn Surgery he had last year? Yeah, that’s worth 100 RBI a year. I am rooting for that White Sox/Diamondback series now. I’ll come back here when Dusty is gone and rebuilding starts again end of 2009…

By Rob

August 11, 2008 3:26 PM | Link to this

I live in St. Louis now and this season sure stinks. I was really looking forward to the Reds-Cardinals series in St. Louis, but not anymore. Let’s call the Dragons and see if they want to come play the Cardinals…